Minneapolis officer's attorney alleges George Floyd overdosed on fentanyl, says charges should be dr

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  1. kiwimac

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    No, actually they didn't
     
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    Here is an independent opinion from a forensic pathologist :

    https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/working-stiff/86913

    · Hennepin County Medical Examiner
    issued the full autopsy report, which indicated that the cause of death was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression," and that the manner of death was homicide. They listed arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease, fentanyl intoxication, and recent methamphetamine use as other significant conditions contributing to death.
     
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    Excessive use of force causing death is felony (felonious?) murder. Is it not?
     
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    Again we’re talking about the method in which the drug enters the bloodstream. No matter how potent the drug is, the effects are not felt until the drug enters the bloodstream. Generally speaking when a drug is taken through consumption, it takes 20 minutes to 1 hour before the effects are felt, and even then so, when one overdoses their, their heart does the immediately stop the moment the drug enters the bloodstream. The notion that one would overdose instantly from consumption is greatly inaccurate

    In any case, this particular individual had two autopsies performed on them, with neither of them showing a lethal amount of fentanyl in the subject’s system. The claim that he died from an overdose is not from a medical source, but from a defense attorney
     
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    It's actually iffy due to what we call intent. This is why manslaughter was perfect because it bypasses intent.

    Essentially Keith Ellison has Zimmerman'd this case, turning an absolute victory into a drag out courtroom fight.
     
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    Again there are no medical sources showing that the subject had a lethal amount of fentanyl in their system. The notion that the subject was experiencing an overdose is not coming from any medical source
     
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    You're saying this while quoting a post that shows the full autopsy. The question isn't what killed Floyd, the question is whether the officers actions would have killed anyone else in that situation.

    The drugs introduce tremendous doubt, whether they were the first or the fifth factor doesn't matter. Then there's his health history and state of being at the time.

    Like it or not, murder 2 is hard to prove and were I a jury member, my vote would be not guilty on murder 2, but if I had a manslaughter option, I'd vote guilty. Even though my guilty vote feels like cleaning up Ellison's mess and I dislike that.
     
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    The spectators were wrong Floyd was dying from a cardiac event. It could have been brought on by the stress of being arrested. It was probably exacerbated by the drugs he was on. Bystanders not spectators this isn't this coliseum, I had no idea what they were talking about. that's why if that you tried to interfere to get arrested for interference.
     
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    ~ Should be an interesting court case to see play out.
     
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    For the record, the charges are murder in the 2nd degree, murder in the 3rd degree, and manslaughter

    Whether the officers actions were the cause of death is absolutely relevant to the outcome of this case. It is not about whether their actions would have killed someone else, it is about whether Floyd would still be alive today if not for the actions of the officers.

    Health issues and intoxication of the victim do not count as an exception. This applies both morally and legally. Whether we are talking about rape or murder, the person being under intoxication does not give you legal immunity. If your actions were the cause of death of another human being, you are very much subject to the legal charges for ending someone else’s life. The only exception would be if you were acting in self defense

    The argument that their actions would not have killed someone else holds no more legal bearing than pushing someone in a wheelchair into a pool and than arguing that a person whose legs worked would not have drowned.
     
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    Lets find out together.
     
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    ~ This is what a DUI case that involves death can come to in court . Depending on the circumstances some states can charge second-degree homicide.
     
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    We already know it was not an overdose
     
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    According to the autopsy report there was no damage.

    :rolleyes: From what I have seen you have yet to say anything nice about Trump so spare everyone the exaggerated, and most likely false, bravado. Pretty sure you were never going to vote for Trump anyways and most likely didn't the first time either.
     
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    I watched the video and while I never saw any white spot on Floyd's tongue I did see OTHER white spots randomly throughout the video.

    Odds are it was faulty pixel in the bodycam that was playing up and "whiting out" randomly.

    Let the technicians do a forensic examination of the video and the bodycam BEFORE jumping to any half-assed conclusions.
     
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    Do we?
     
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    I watched that video, and holy crap was that guy corked out of his gourd. He was spun up like a top.

    And he was behind the wheel of a car, and about to try to attempt to drive in that condition.

    A complete menace to society.

    Not the hero the left needs, the hero they deserve.
     
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    Yes, we already know from the autopsy that he did not overdose.
     
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    Apparently it didn't cause his death. I'm not sure if "excessive use of force" has to result in death to actually be charged.
     
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    Then ultimately what is the point in one even abiding by the law, if a corrupt prosecutor can freely disregard such for the sake of pushing a political narrative?
     
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    So you are saying he would have been driving down the road and just dropped dead.

    I thought everyone was suppose to have their day in court, in your eyes he should have died that day with a knee on his neck. That is the problem that most Americans have with this murder.
     
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    No that is not what I said nor what happen why do you misrepresent both?

    Don't resist arrest and do things that cause your death to get your day in court. Or better yet don't commit crimes so that you have days in court at al.
     
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    Did the judge think about it for longer than 8 minutes and 46 seconds? Seems a no brainer to any sane person. It's murder. Mama.. I am coming.. A Real Red Sanford act. Watch the 8:46.. I dare ya.
     
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    This simply is an attempt to take MURDER ONE off of the table.

    The OVERCHARGE approach will be their best defense and/or strategy both within the initial trial and on appeal.
     
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    Actually it was about 3x the lethal dose. Im not sure where you are getting your information but its wrong.

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