Minneapolis officer's attorney alleges George Floyd overdosed on fentanyl, says charges should be dr

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  1. Bluesguy

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    COVID harms the lungs with evidence it last long after the disease and may be permanent. That he was positive for COVID will be submitted in court.
     
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    Maybe it's time to arrest the fine upstanding Gentleman that sold the grossly obese person the illegal drugs that killed him?
     
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    It's the new normal until law enforcement is empowered to act.
     
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    tragic what the the left wing did with this. case
     
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    Push really hard on the side of your neck in the same location for 5 minutes.

    You're not going to pass out.

    Now push really hard to the left or right of your adams apple. When you wake up post results.

    You'll see when the testimony starts.
     
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    And protected by your spine and a very large group of muscles.

    That's why when you choke someone you grab them around the windpipe and dig in with the fingers and thumb.

    You can't apply direct pressure through the spine and muscles from the back/side like that without causing severe bruising and or damage to the spine.

    None of which was present.

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    There are lesser charges the officer potentially could be charged with such as assault and reckless endangerment. The feds could bring a criminal civil rights charge. It appears there is not possibility this was murder, but that does not mean they can't still claim the one officer's conduct was criminal.

    There has never been ANY basis for ANY criminal charges against the other 3.
     
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    Not accurate I'm afraid.

    The first one is protected by bone and isn't the one used to choke people out.

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    The question here is, did Antifa supporter and serial woman abuser MN attorney General Keith Ellison intentionally up the level of charges in this case just to make sure there will be no conviction?
     
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    He had enough drugs in him to kill an elephant, and about 15 different serious conditions and diseases, including multiple serious heart conditions.
     
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    3x the lethal dose

    And its the cops fault right?

    LOL.

    This is the guy a bunch of idiots destroyed cities for. And a significant portion of the left supported it to.

    Smh.
     
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    "They listed arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease, fentanyl intoxication, and recent methamphetamine use as other significant conditions contributing to death."

    Then what was meant by this statement by the medical doctor performing the autopsy?
     
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    You mean when he is breathing?
     
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    The San Diego Police Department announced this week it would no longer use the carotid restraint, a method of rendering a person unconscious by applying pressure to the sides of the neck where the carotid arteries are located, which almost immediately breaks blood flow.
    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/na...0200603-6pzfxkuc5rde5asslazb2sng5y-story.html
     
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    "The technique, also known as a sleeper hold, is similar to the knee-to-neck restraint used against Floyd in Minneapolis last week."

    False, the "sleeper hold" blocks both sides, both carotids. That was not the case with Floyd and knee on his head and side of his neck.

    Cardiac complicated by fentanyl, meth, COVID and his resisting arrest, why do you still not get it?
     
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    BLM only supports thugs, they have never once supported anyone who was innocent of a crime or even a decent human being. These morons have rioted over black cops killing armed suspects. Its all total BS race baiting...
     
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    So very true.

    BLM are the modern day KKK.
     
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    They absolutely count and are elements of doubt now entered into the courtroom because of that thing called intent. Even Nancy Grace knows that.

    So let's define intent, using your own examples to show why you and Ellison are wrong. That wheelchair example? Maybe he doesn't know the dude is paralyzed, maybe no one else told him that he was paralyzed.

    Or maybe upon learning that, the person tried but failed to save him.

    Either case, there's no intent on murder, at best you'd get reckless endangerment.

    Now those are normal circumstances surrounding people. Not this case where we're talking about former officers and their restraining techniques.

    If they can show that another person would have survived, maybe you get murder 3 but never 2 and almost undoubtedly a manslaughter charge.
     
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    They were going to die anyway. The sociopathic 2020 motto of the GOP.
     
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    Which is not what was used in this case.

    Stopping blood flow to the brain requires pressure to the sides of the neck where the windpipe is. Pressing from the back or side doesn't compress the arteries as they are protected by the spine and large muscles. You would have to press so hard that severe muscle damage or crushing the vertebrae would occur.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/us/knee-neck-george-floyd-death.html

    The manual for the Minneapolis police calls a chokehold a “deadly force option” and neck restraints a “non-deadly force option.” Neck restraints involve compressing one or both sides of a person’s neck with an arm or a leg without cutting off the air flow through the trachea.

    The manual further explains that the conscious neck restraint may be used against a subject who is “actively resisting,” while rendering the person unconscious should be limited to someone who is aggressive or “for lifesaving purposes.”

    The neck restraint, when applied aggressively, cuts off air flow, not blood flow, by pressing the larynx into the ground.

    In other words, the back/side of the neck knee compression isn't a method used that can restrict blood flow. It's even explained that way in the training manual.

    As you can see, the neck restraint method that was used here isn't considered a deadly force option. The only danger with this particular option is asphyxiation by cutting air flow, not blood flow.

    What the SD PD was talking about was choke holds (arterial compression), not neck compression from the back and/or sides (airway compression with sufficient force).

    This exact same technique has been used by the PD in Minneapolis anywhere from 40 to 86 times per year in at least the last 10 years with no deaths to my knowledge.

    He's dead because he had lethal doses of at least two drugs in his system and a massive number of heart problems.
     
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    Which is ultimately meaningless and irrelevant to the ongoing discussion.
     
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    So now you know more than the SDPD, smfh.

    "Regardless of what Mr. Floyd allegedly did or didn’t do, there’s no reason to put a knee on the neck," said John Peters Jr., president of the Institute for the Prevention and Management of In-Custody Deaths, which trains police academy instructors on use of force.

    Jon Shane, an associate professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice who specializes in use-of-force studies, said officers are allowed to use deadly force only when a suspect presents an imminent danger. "I didn’t see anything in that video that showed a deadly force situation."

    Andy Scoogman, executive director of the Minnesota Chiefs of Police, which represents hundreds of police chiefs, called the actions "appalling" and said his association has never advocated for training that teaches an officer to place a knee on someone’s neck.

    The technique is widely recognized as dangerous. Department of Justice guidance on use of force says "unexplained in-custody deaths are caused more often than is generally known by a little-known phenomenon called positional asphyxia," when someone cannot breathe in a certain position.

    "As soon as the suspect is handcuffed, get him off his stomach," the Justice Department advises.

    Lawrence Heiskell, an emergency physician and reserve police officer with the Palm Springs Police Department, wrote an article last year warning officers that keeping a suspect face-down on the ground could be lethal.

    Heiskell told USA TODAY he’s dumbfounded by what happened in Minneapolis.

    An officer might be compelled to put his knee on a suspect’s neck during a struggle, Heiskell said. However, he said he cannot imagine why Floyd was held face-down on the ground for minutes, or why Chauvin kept pressing his knee on Floyd's neck.

    "When somebody says, 'I can’t breathe,' that is a medical emergency and you get EMS to treat them right way," Peters said. "Because at that point, the suspect becomes a patient."

    Just because someone is talking doesn't mean they can breathe, said Peters, who has offered a free online course to thousands of officers on positional asphyxia.

    Tom Aveni, an ex-cop and co-founder of the Police Policy Studies Council, has trained law enforcement officers since 1983. "I have not seen anyone teach the use of a knee to the neck," he said.

    Moreover, the Minneapolis Police Department's policy uses outdated terminology, Scott said. There's no such thing as a "non-deadly" force option. The proper terminology is "less-lethal," Scott said, which recognizes that force has potential to kill if misused.

    The Minnesota Professional Peace Officer Education System said in a statement Wednesday that the tactics seen in the video "do not appear to reflect the training that students receive."

    The Minnesota Professional Peace Officer Education System said in a statement Wednesday that the tactics seen in the video "do not appear to reflect the training that students receive."

    I know all you arm chair police officers know more than the men who are actually police officers.
     
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    Liberals sure picked a stand up guy to burn down buildings over.
     
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    the knee on neck defense can't work if he was high on illegal drugs

    doctors only get paid from prescription drugs.
     
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    I doubt it gets them the dismissal. My understanding is that it has to be irrefutable evidence and may have been drugs doesn't seem irrefutable. Th judge will probably say they'll have to argue that out in front of the jury.
     

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