Minneapolis officer's attorney alleges George Floyd overdosed on fentanyl, says charges should be dr

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  1. flyboy56

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    You don't seem to be comprehending the statement "...significant conditions contributing to death."
     
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    Read the body cam transcripts. He continued to struggle when he first went to the ground kicking his legs. The officers kept telling him to calm down, stop screaming, you're breathing stop yelling. He had already busted his up struggling with them, that is the blood you see on the ground.
     
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    That is the more level headed observation that I believe will come to fruition. Murder is not applicable but lack of judgement clearly was.
     
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    The BIGGER crime here is the media and the way they reported! It is so repetitive it's nauseating.The last several "racial cases" that resulted in rioting, Benghazi, Michael Flynn, Carter Page, Russian Collusion.....they ALWAYS error to the left and it is quite apparent! It is questionable as to how we will ever get an objective Press again.
     
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    It's sad that he lost his life, and wasted it on crime and drugs.
    It's not, like other cases, a reason to burn down a city or loot and steal and destroy property.

    Maybe, were we to keep criminals in jail longer, as opposed to releasing people onto the streets that have not been properly rehabilitated, like liberals want to do every day, that he might have been a law abiding citizen with a real job, and not relying on counterfeit money to buy a pack of smokes.
     
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    Police in my city, for the last 5 years at least, have been trained to identify Excited Delirium if they suspect it. They immediately call for medical backup. I don't know if Minneapolis provides that training, but it has been fairly widespread for several years in many cities to prevent drugged up suspects from dying at the scene of arrest. The city could be culpable, and I expect the family will win a civil suit against Minneapolis, even if Chauvin isn't at least charged with negligence and failure to render medical aid. Officer Lane did ask Chauvin twice about rolling Floyd over after he stopped struggling, and one of those times, Lane mentioned his concern about E.D. Since Lane was a rookie, it does sound like training was provided. Lane was the only officer to suggest helping Floyd, so I think he should be cleared of any liability or charges.
     
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    Not instantaneous but measurable in minutes. Mr Floyd's blood at autopsy revealed 11.0 ng/ml of Fentanyl. That's a fatal blood level even for an opiate tolerant patient: a pain patient or daily use addict. The average blood level seen at autopsy for Fentanyl overdose death is 9 ng/ml.

    According to George Floyd’s toxicology report, his blood contained 11.0 ng/mL Fentanyl, plus 5.6 ng/mL norfentanyl, 19 ng/mL of methamphetamine.

    The video evidence seems to support overdose. Agitated to somnolence in minutes. Lucid behavior to progressively irrational behavior to somnolence in minutes. Inception of breathing complaints evolving to breathing problems in minutes.

    Both avenues fit the death, strangulation and overdose, but the blood work and changing actions are conclusive IMO. Subject to change with more evidence, but doubtful.
     
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    Guess he probably saved his real $$ to buy his Junk! Dealers don't usually take too kindly to being stiffed......yet our judicial system is lenient.
     
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    What really happened? According to folks like you want to see these officers walk Floyd was going to drop dead that day. Smfh.
     
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    It was a possibility, given the number and quantity of illegal AND legal drugs in his system, and his arteriosclerosis.
     
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    Yes he was already dying before he hit the ground as the video's and transcripts show. You want these officers in jail for the murder of a man who was dying because of his own actions and for which their actions did not cause.
     
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    IF, and that is an "if", he had fentanyl in the car and he decided to swallow it rather than be caught with it, then he took a lethal dose right at the beginning of the arrest. That is what Lane's defense attorney is claiming. During the arrest struggle, he kept repeating that he was going to die.
     
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    Did you even watch the videos? The guy was hysterical and fighting the officers. He was out of his mind high. He HAD to be restrained because when they first put him in the cop car and shut the door he started going nuts and injuring himself. The knee on the neck was a last resort IMO. He wouldn't stay still, he wouldn't sit down, he wouldn't go in the police car, he wouldn't stop being hysterical. What do you do as a cop if you've already been fighting with a huge dude with 3 other officers for 20 minutes and he still won't comply or calm down? They couldn't tase him because he was already technically in custody. They had already called an ambulance because he said he was dying. Even after they held him down by the neck he STILL - STILL would not comply and kept struggling and screaming hysterically. I suppose the officer could have pistol whipped him and knocked him out cold, but then it would also be brutality. So what would you have done?
     
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    They called the ambulance on a Code 2, non-emergency, only after his lip started bleeding. The ambulance went to the wrong address and just sat waiting for further instructions since they didn't think it was an emergency call. By the time Lane upped the call to a Code 3 emergency and the ambulance was given the correct location, it was pretty much too late.

    If the ambulance had gone to the right location, or communicated that there was nothing happening where they did show up, they probably could have saved him.
     
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    Yeah the real crime is he got out of jail. Some of the things he did should have made that much more unlikely.
     
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    No I don't want to see officers walk. I want them to face consequences. They should face consequences. But when you have judicial activism overcharging people for the crimes they aren't going to face consequences.

    George Floyd was not murdered you can't convict someone of the murder for a person who was not murdered.

    So because of you're kind of zeal he's going to walk.
     
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    thats being disputed here though, who knows :confusion:
     
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    That seems to be the defense. That would also mean that the knee was excessive as he would not have been putting up a fight.
     
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    ~ Would any of this be "news" if Floyd was white .. ? :confusion:
     
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    No because they would've tackled a white Floyd b4 he could have opened the car door.
     
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    ~ I watched the video .
     
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    What does the autopsy report say?
     
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    We all did.
     
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    But many of us believe and trust our own eyes as opposed to be willingly gaslighted by sociopaths.
     
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    Yes of course I watched the video, and I'm sorry but there was 9 minutes where he was on the ground and restrained and the officer's knee was STILL on his neck, even as the man was pleading that he could not breath, he STILL did not move his knee. Floyd fell unresponsive, and the officer STILL did not remove his knee. No matter how you try and rationalize it, the officer was not trying to protect Floyd by keeping his knee on his neck when he was already restrained, and he certainly wasn't trying to protect him or anyone else when he kept his knee on his neck minutes after he fell unresponsive.

    Finally, we know from the autopsy that Floyd died of cardiopulmonary arrest, and for the record:

    cardio = heart
    pulmonary = lungs

    He did not die of a heart attack, heart attacks are called myocardial infarction. His cause of death was cardiopulmonary arrest, and according to the autopsy, this was due to failure in the heart's ability to pump blood to the brain, caused by pressure applied to the neck.
     
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