Minneapolis officer's attorney alleges George Floyd overdosed on fentanyl, says charges should be dr

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  1. RP12

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    So the Meth and Fentanyl had nothing to do with it?
     
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    Of course not. They're perfectly safe. Like mail-in voting.
     
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    The Hennepin County medical examiner's office, however, said Floyd experienced cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained by the officer. The county autopsy said Floyd had "other significant conditions" including "arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease; fentanyl intoxication; [and] recent methamphetamine use." The office had not previously released the findings pending toxicology reports.


    And then you have...

    Baden...
    Baden also said that he could find no underlying conditions that contributed to Floyd's death, saying he was in good health. In a criminal complaint, Hennepin County prosecutors said Chauvin "had his knee on Mr. Floyd's neck for eight minutes and 46 seconds. Two minutes and 53 seconds of this was after Mr. Floyd was "non-responsive." Crump said Floyd's death was the result of that sustained pressure to his neck and the pressure on Floyd's back from other officers holding him down.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-floyd-death-autopsies-homicide-axphyxiation-details/

    Known heart issues mixed with Meth and Fentanyl = no underlying conditions...... /facepalm
     
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    Yep. He was at risk for a heart attack or stroke PRIOR to ingesting the various cocktail of drugs found in his system.
     
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    This is what denial of science in fact looks like. How anyone can ignore the lethal amount of fentanyl in Floyd's blood is simply emotional. It certainly isn't scientific. Is this, in fact, too much truth? When truth doesn't support emotionalism? I'd say yes.
     
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    Hmm... This is actually simple stuff here. Having a heart attack, does in fact lead to cardio and pulmonary arrest. I know, you didn't know this, it is none the less true. Why ignore the science?
     
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    The toxicology indicated that the amount of fentanyl ingested would have been fatal. The fact that dude was also COVID hot, well, also not noted as a contributory factor. It really looks like folks tried really hard here to ignore the actual evidence.
     
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    So if the police would have never pulled him over, Floyd was going to drop dead within the next hour or two. Is that what you are telling us.
     
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    It still doesn't excuse the excessive force any more then choking a 99 year old who was going to die soon anyway. Im not sure the eggshell victim defense will help in this case. I was a little kid when I watched my mother tackled to the ground and bloodied up by cops using excessive force.
     
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    Were it possible to ask him, I bet George Floyd would rather be in jail than dead right now, and maybe he would have cooperated with police since he had to have known he was busted.
     
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    Busted for?
     
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    Passing counterfeit money, for one. Possible illegal drug possession.
     
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    The case has hit the point that every site has a different version.
     
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    The charge is part of the officer's defense. So it's not just media rumor at this point.
     
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    Floyd was in handcuffs with his hands behind his back laying facedown. How does that excuse the Cop for keeping his knee on his neck until he stopped breathing?
     
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    It doesn’t, and I didn’t say it did.

    He resisted arrest prior to that.
     
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    That doesn't matter. He was in cuffs and in custody. That cop needs to be in prison. No cop has the right to kill anyone who is in custody and is not a threat.

    There are numerous times where I support the police when they take someone down who was a threat. For example, Rashard Brooks. The Cops did nothing wrong in that circumstance.
     
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    Well, you have to show intent to commit murder to get a murder conviction. Excessive force isn't going to cut it for proving intent.
     
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    I never said Murder. But the Cop should have manslaughter charges brought to him and he needs to serve time.
     
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    he died from the cops knee on his neck, for almost 10 minutes, he would still be alive today if not for that
     
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    if someone put their knee on one of my loved ones neck for almost 10 minutes, and they died, I would consider it murder as would most

    can't say they did not intend to kill them, they were just playing rough with him for fun... doesn't work

    especially since the cop KNEW he was having medical issues... as that is why they called an ambulance

    the cop knew he was having a medical crisis, and still did this, while he was in handcuffs, thus in police custody and they were responsible for his health

    and the sad thing is, there was no counterfeit $20.... he was innocent... this was all for nothing
     
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    I shouldn't have to explain this, but this isn't about whether it is possible for a heart attack to cause cardiopulmonary arrest, but whether or not a heart attack did occurred. The answer is a heart attack did not occur, George Floyd's cardiopulmonary arrest was not caused by a heart attack, it was caused by failure in the heart's ability to pump blood to the brain due to the stress put on the body from neck compression. Those are what the results of the autopsy show.
     
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    If you watch the video, the officer moves his knee back when the stretcher arrives, but does not remove his knee completely until it is time to move him, at which point Floyd had been unresponsive for more than 3 minutes as bystanders pleaded with the officers to get off of him onto the stretcher. I'm not going to direct you to change your mind, but what I will say is if you are going to form an opinion on this incident, understand that it did not all take place within a single photograph, there was in fact 9 minutes of the officers applying stress to the body and neck while Floyd was restrained. There is also an autopsy report which I suggest you read

    and that is all I really have to say about that
     
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    Lot of spin in that post.
     
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    Review the evidence again. One body cam shows that as a result of his encounter, he "consumes" a white powder, likely the fentanyl that he was holding. If this had occurred prior to his encounter, yes, that amount would have killed him prior. The effect of the drug is consistent with the facts of his eventual death, irrespective of the rest of the encounter with the police who restrained him. That is consistent with the toxicology report, and consistent with an overdose of fentanyl. Further, Floyd had a number of underlying conditions pre encounter that likely also contributed, namely his WuFlu infection.

    Facts should always overcome emotionalism.
     
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