Miscellaneous Thoughts About God

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  1. ToddWB

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    Stumbled on this... anyone of intellect should find it very interesting.
     
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    How do you know what I, or anyone else, knows? You are merely saying that what you believe is true because you believe it, just like most 'God' believers do. Surely, someone who says he has direct experience of 'God' can be seen as delusional, and they usually are regarded that way. Mohammed and Joseph Smith are somewhat exceptional. That doesn't change the possibility that the person has an experience. Your interpretation of it may or may not make a difference to him.
     
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    Just watched this the other day; very interesting and thought provoking, viewed with objectivity. It doesn't necessitate agreeing with every point, but accepting the discussion metaphorically is instructive regarding the function of faith. Peterson was quite brave exposing himself as he did.
     
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    For the rest of you.. if you can't suffer the whole thing, then goto 44 minutes in.
    I am watching it again..Iwasfiddling with other stuff the first time.
     
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    Have you forgotten about Lot and his swanky daughters and the lying homicidal maniac Abraham? The Jewish Babylonian Talmud excuses bestiality.
     
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    Watched until I suffered whiteout. Resolved myself to the peace of the mundane and went for a walk.
     
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    RE: Miscellaneous Thoughts About God
    SUBTOPIC: No Thought About a Deity is Miscellaneous
    ⁜→ David Landbrecht, et al,

    BLUF: Cognitive Abilities 'vs' Mental Perception ••• This is not what I said. Although I'll take it up.

    (COMMENT)

    This is an Epistemology Question. How do any of us know → that you know what something select piece of information? What do you know? How do you know it?

    You can believe anything you want. It is a matter of controlled objectivity, observation, and deductive reasoning. Someone who is fixated on a belief and even claim to know what they have discovered is self-contradictory.

    And you have all seen the optical illusions. What you think you see, is not always what you saw...
    The Hermann Grid
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    The Lilac Chaser
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    FIRST IMAGE:
    Do you really see the dots shifting from one intersection to another? Are they really there? But you see them none the less.
    SECOND IMAGE:
    In the lilac chaser illusion, the viewer sees a series of lilac-colored blurry dots arranged in a circle around a focal point. As the viewer stares at the focal point, a few different things are observed.

    At first, there will appear to be a space running around the circle of lilac discs. After about 10 to 20 seconds, the viewer will then see a green disc moving around the circle instead of the space. With longer observation, the lilac discs will disappear altogether and the viewer will only see the green disc moving around in a circle.
    FROM: TheoriesCognitive Psychology • 10 Cool Optical Illusions and How Each of Them Work • By Kendra CherryFact checked by Emily SwaimUpdated on March 17, 2020
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    From a "Pragmatic" Perspective there is "conditional thought" retention: IF the spiritual belief system you have → works for you and you perceive to gain some value from it, THEN keep it.

    This should not interfere with a "non-believer." IF the retained → conditional thought becomes too influential and begins to take-up "evangelistic" qualities and the "conditional thought" becomes a major motivational objective and zealously advocation attempts in the workplace of friendships become disruptive, THEN the influence is considered counterproductive.

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    Most Respectfully,
    R
     
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    Where do you get this stuff. Lot and some of his family were spared. The city and everything in was destroyed. Lot and his family went to live with Abraham. And because bestiality didn't fall under the law of adultery, it was addressed by another law which prescribed stoning as punishment.
     
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    Abraham is the most disgusting major character in all of the biblical stories. He had no redeeming qualities. JHe was a murderer, liar, thief, adulterer, child abuser, and he spent his entire life screwing his sister.

    Lot was a bucket of scum. He wanted to pimp out his daughters to save some strangers. When disaster struck he got drunk twice and knocked up his daughters.

    Between them, they violated all of the commandments. They are perfect examples of rotten human behavior.
     
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    :roflol:

    The LAST RESORT is always to throw out RANDOM bible verses because you CANNOT deal with the harsh reality that there is ZERO EVIDENCE for the existence of your IMAGINARY deity.

    Sad!

    :roflol:
     
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    :applause:

    Worth noting that theists who REFUSE to recognize the UGLY truth about these biblical characters also refuse to see the ODIOUS truth about their vile biggest *LOSER*.

    Now that too can be classified as a rotten human behavior because it is essentially ENABLING these kinds of sociopaths.
     
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    I quoted that scripture to show that the concept of the sighted being blinded by bias and falsehood has been around forever. I don't believe that God exists. I know he does. Therefore, the imagination in the matter is yours alone. Only God can prove his existence to you, as he is not a marble in my pocket that I might show to you and we marvel together at its exquisite perfection. He is apart for his own reason. He requires sincerity and singularity of heart and purpose. Even at that, the decision would be his. His is to save, not destroy. Neither is he frivolous. You are unprepared by your own willful disregard. Would you have Jesus die again for your entertainment?
     
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    So, what do you think about your own Parents and siblings....Gods favorites or a den of vipers? God covenanted with Abraham and spared Lot and his family.
     
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    Jung above everything said we should keep an open mind, the very opposite of what the OP suggests. Do you think declaring atheists an enemy is keeping an open mind?
     
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    /Sorry,, were did you get "declaring an atheist an enemy"? Satan is the enemy.
     
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    The most interesting part starts at 45:49.

    I have seen on this site many state that their is nothing new in mythology about the dying and resurrecting God.. this is answer to that assertion.
    Also our Christ story is the end cap to all stories.. Christ destroys Death.
     
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    :roflol:

    You are just PREACHING the CONVOLUTED DOGMA used to bamboozle theists into BELIEVING that their IMAGINARY deity exists so that they can delude THEMSELVES that he does.

    Here is the STARK difference!

    Theists consider THEMSELVES to be CHILDREN who NEED a father figure to PROTECT them for their ENTIRE lives and from their FEAR of DYING. That ALONE is the MOTIVATION behind that self deluding dogma above.

    In CONTRAST there are the ADULTS who take RESPONSBILITY for their OWN lives and understand that they do NOT need an IMAGINARY deity wasting their time and energy. Adults UNDERSTAND that ALL of our lives are FINITE and that our OWN happiness depends ENTIRELY upon OURSELVES. Adults APPRECIATE that helping and caring others is a way to SHARE happiness. Adults lead FULL lives ENJOYING the KNOWEDGE and UNDERSTANDING of our existence and our Universe.

    Above all else Adults SHUN self delusion because it is inherently NEGATIVE and counterproductive when it comes to ACHIEVING their fullest POTENTIAL.

    Yes, I UPHOLD your right to BELIEVE that theist DOGMA and in your IMAGINARY deity because I am an ADULT and I understand that not everyone has the inner STRENTH to take RESPONSIBILITY for their OWN lives.

    Those that DEPEND upon the mental CRUTCH of theist dogma lack the ability to make it through life WITHOUT that PABLUM to soothe their fears and anxiety of what to them is the UNKNOWN.

    And for a laugh let's just say there is an "afterlife" and explore that REMOTE possibility.

    When you end up there it will be as a SUPPLICANT whose LIFE will be WEIGHED on the BASIS of how much SUPPORT you NEEDED from your IMAGINARY deity versus how much you PAID in "good deeds" to others. If you took out MORE support then you provided in "good deeds" then you will have a NEGATIVE BALANCE and REQUIRE forgiveness for your DEBT.

    When I arrive it will be as an Adult whose life required NO SUPPORT ergo no debt and whatever "good deeds" I have done will result in a POSITIVE balance therefore NO "forgiveness" will be necessary.

    If, as YOU BELIEVE, I will be condemned for eternity ONLY because I did NOT "believe" in your imaginary deity then that will simply PROVE me 100% CORRECT that your imaginary deity is an evil sociopath who does NOT merit any worship in the first place.

    If I can handle this life as an ADULT I am sure I can handle eternity as one too.

    :roflol:
     
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    So you love, worship, praise, and honor yourself? That's mighty grown up of you. Your generosity is astonishing.
     
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    Another PUERILE response clearly DEMONSTRATING an ABSENCE of UNDERSTANDING as to how ADULTS take RESPONSIBILITY for their OWN lives.

    ADULTS will LOVE their CHILD UNCONDITIONALLY as opposed to the onerous CONDITIONS that your IMAGINARY deity IMPOSES on his BELIEVERS.

    ADULTS will PRAISE a CHILD when they do something RIGHT as opposed to your LOW SELF ESTEEM imaginary deity that DEMANDS that you MUST praise it ENDLESSLY!

    ADULTS will HONOR those things that are WORTHY of honoring as opposed to the HEINOUS crimes committed by your IMAGINARY sociopathic deity that YOU honor!

    ADULTS have the necessary KNOWLEDGE and UNDERSTANDING as to WHAT is DESERVING of love, praise and honor as opposed to BELIEVERS who SHUN knowledge and understanding and just UNQUESTIONINGLY OBEY the DICTATES and DEMANDS of their imaginary sociopathic deity.

    Sad!
     
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    If they don't believe in the Trinity they are not Christians.
     
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    The OP Jag has declared it in several threads.
     
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    Surely who is and is not a Christian is up to whatever god might exist, not humans.
     
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    Why do people keep repeating this ridiculous lie? We have a Bible in which Christianity is codified, or maybe you think atheists can be Christians?

    No, it's not a secret, Christ's followers are Christians, those who do not follow Christ are not.
     
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    Certainly there are Christian Atheists its a growing movement. Try to learn that YOU are not the arbiter on what someone else believes. Now stop repeating the silly lie that YOU decide who is and is not a Christian. If there is a god, only they get to decide!
     
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    "Christian Atheists"...kinda like square circles, isn't it? As Jordan Peterson says, "right wing psychologists"....they don't exist, either. Neither do "smart liberals".

    I'm sure you think that men are women and women are men, but that's not true, either. Sorry, atheists dont even get a vote in this discussion.
     
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