Missing Gravity waves, could gravity not be a wave at all?

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  1. wgabrie

    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    Earth bound detectors once again failed in their search to find Gravity Waves.

    They aren't finding Gravity Waves. Could it be that gravity isn't a wave at all but a fixed thing?

    And that brings up the question of whether a gravitational field from a body that can change position has all of the space around it fall towards its new position, not towards its old position, in no time no matter how far away from the center of mass it is? That there isn't an update time required to get a fix on its current position? :confusion:

    Gravity waves missing in action in latest test

     
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    Uncle Ferd hopin' dey'll figure a way to jump around space usin' warp holes...
    :wink:
    European Satellite to Test Method to Find Ripples in Space, Time
    November 30, 2015 — An experimental satellite slated for launch on Wednesday will test a technique to detect ripples in space and across time, adding a new perspective for viewing and understanding the universe.
    See also:

    Satellite Launch to Test Einstein's Idea on Space, Time Delayed
    December 01, 2015 — The launch of a European satellite that will test a technique to detect ripples in space that can be caused by merging black holes has been delayed because of a technical problem with its Vega rocket, the European Space Agency (ESA) said Tuesday.
     
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    Gravity is a wave because it has to behave as a quantized phenomenon. We know this because gravity is a result of mass, and therefore obeys the uncertainty principle. If a particle with mass is in superposition at point A or B, and A and B can be very far apart, how can you describe the gravitational field of that particle without invoking quantum effects? The speed of gravity has already been confirmed to travel at the speed of light: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3232-first-speed-of-gravity-measurement-revealed so saying it's "fixed" doesn't work. Light obeys the Schrodinger Equations, how can gravity not?
     
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    Correct, the real problems with gravitational waves is to detect them. How to do this? Well, to detect gravitational distortions while a gravity wave is passing is not that easy ... what if the gravity wave distorts also the detectors in the local space-time?
     
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    Who is to ay Gravity is either wave or particle, perhaps it is neither...maybe both. Gravity may be a Partiwave.
     
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    'Dormant' blackhole shreds star...
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    Supermassive black hole ‘awakens’ to tear star to shreds
    Fri, Jun 24, 2016 - Scientists on Wednesday reported that they witnessed in unprecedented detail a star being ripped to shreds and devoured by a dormant supermassive black hole.
     
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    gravity waves do not exist in the fundamental physics ..
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    Stop the chatter and get busy ...
     
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    I remember reading an article on Grand Unified Theory and Stephen Hawking Ph. D. at the time of that article..... was having difficulty fitting Gravity in with the other forces.
     
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    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    Dennis since I last posted this they discovered gravity waves several times.
     
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    If you believe that.
    Like Mr. Higgs boson, it seems their experiments are designed to produce the populist theory.

    I prefer Graviton Theory and feel so ignored
    https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=graviton+theory

    No one looks for them just as no one on the team was ready to support
    Mr. Higgs boson does not exist.


    Moi :oldman:

    r > g


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    Well if they get the wrong gravity theory, by making up things, then we'll never get to a unified field theory UFT that will enable us to warp space and create food and materials out of energy.

    We need to plug into the universe and for that to happen we need the correct info.
     
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    Correct info is harder to find with predetermined conclusions,
    aka no open mind.



    Moi :oldman:

    r > g


    :nana: :flagcanada:
     
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    All this means is that our current models may need updating. Of course, it could mean that Einstein was completely wrong (it is Relativity that predicts gravity waves).
     
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    Gravity is a occurrence in nature. it is not something special that you find inside a atom, it is a lot of things. the mass of the atom will be bound like planets to the sun - they are under the influence of protons, responsible for the 'magnetism side' of electromagnetism. this would be the strong force, where electrons are responsible for the weak force. they are polarized so obviously they perform along these lines.

    When protons attract electrons, or keep them in orbit, it is merely polarization. electrons are responsible for bonds, as even hydrogen bonds are made of electron bonds making hydrogen bonds, so, the protons merely make the bonds 'stable,' yes?

    This means the electrons keep orbiting the neutron. then, the mass falls, as the bonds from the earth are stronger per capita from the closer planet earth, for example.
     
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    So What is your point?
    And how does it relate to a quoted statement?

    You blame both ionic and covalent bonds on electrons. :lol: has to do with . . .

    BTW are you :flagcanada:,
    Brett Nortje​
     
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    Yes, i believe that you find these electrons in any bond, among other things that are there because the electrons are there, bound into the mix and field the electrons create. this is because the electrons 'move,' yes? the protons move on the inside of the atom, but the electrons orbit, so they would come into contact with the other electrons before anything happens - they are like a security check point, yes?

    Or, how does it work? can you prove me wrong? i am no expert, i only understand my hybrid theory of science, which i admit might need some tuning. can you tune me?
     
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    Sorry.
    I only said I believe in gravitons.
    And that major science investigations can be bent by design.
    Nothing about electrons.


    Brett Nortje, are you :flagcanada:?
     
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    Okay, well then my stance is that i do not believe in gravitons, as, that would mean something is responsible for 'mass,' yes?

    The only thing i would say comes close to a graviton is the nucleon, holding the atom together means there is substance.
     
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    No!

    It is the Photon vs Wave conundrum.
    Or nearly in gravitational realms.

    Moi :oldman:
    Gravitons keep you grounded!

    r > g


    :nana: :flagcanada:
     
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    I would like to think that this webpage may be helpful.... but you seem like you
    may know all of this already........

    www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/
     
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    Or maybe gravity waves are hard to measure or detect? So hard in fact that Einstein though that it would likely be impossible to detect them after he theorized their existence.

    Why It Is So Dang Hard to Detect Gravitational Waves

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a24634/difficult-detect-gravitational-waves/
     
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    In a TV science documentary last week, we saw shots of astronauts floating around inside the orbiting space station, and the voice over said "For them gravity doesn't exist".
    I found that a fascinating observation, because where did gravity GO?
     
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    If you want to know a little something about gravity, look up and read the ebook "A UFO Love Story."
     
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    Objects in orbit are in free-fall, so gravity is already acting on them, but they do not notice it because they are in a non-accelerated frame.
     

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