Mob of 20 'hooded blacks' storm UK pub, drag man out, stab him to death...

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  1. Diuretic

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    It wasn't a mistake, it was a calculated economic decision. We look back on it now and declare it morally wrong, but it wasn't something done in error. The official racial prejudice that was put in place after the Civil War and continued right up until the 1960s (this is the official racial prejudice which could be found in legislation I mean) has more to do with the current situation than the original concept of a slave economy.

    It might be useful to discuss the causes of crime rather than trade accusations about the racial identity of perpetrators and victims. A crook is a crook and a (*)(*)(*)(*)bag, whatever colour or racial appearance.
     
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    They'd probably wonder what the hell I was talking about since it has absolutely no relevance to their situation.
     
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    I think that might qualify as a non-sequitur. You quoted the part of my post that read, "blacks have been recognised as humans, no way back now on that one", and then post about current problems and illegitimacy rates. I'm not seeing the connection.
     
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    Why would anyone voluntarily live in a ghetto?
     
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    Was that kid even in the ghetto? What part of town was this pub in? I believe that Trayvonism is a problem that transcends the ghetto. It certainly has in the U.S. since George Zimmerman had to defend himself from a hooded Trayvon in a predominantly white neighborhood. Perhaps a return to form is needed in regards to segregation...perhaps a repeal of some of the old laws before the barbarians completely tear down the gates?
     
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    In retrospect, it was a mistake and a crime. The economic reasons for slavery are well known.


    Sorry, crime can have a cultural element, and we see that in the black community. They need to fix it, but they will not.


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    Well, Don, I have a different perspective on this considering what I do for a living. Since I end up talking to killers fairly regularly I'd have to say that to the vast majority of them it's "just business" in the same way that it was probably "just business" for the Gambino or Gotti family. If you really want to have this discussion--and I have no problem having it with you--I'd love to discuss how gang culture--specifically drug gang cultures of African American, Russian, and Central/South American persuasions-- is but a means to making the type of wealth they feel shut out of in America. By no means is this an excuse or justification. Murder is contemptible and wrong. Gangs are, however, the poor and uneducated mans means of achieving money and stature. Get rich quick or die trying, as they say.

    I think that as Russian gangs begin to throw more of their weight around and take control of the heroin trade in the US you'll see more "white on white" killings.

    Still, how does black crime relate to "black people" and not "black criminals"? I think it important to make that distinction. As Jeb brought up and the statistics are there to prove it, pedophilia is predominantly a "white mans disease". Should we grab our children and walk them to the other side of the street when we see white men?

    What's their problem? Why are they diddling kids?

    It is easy to talk numbers, relatively easy to ask "why", and hardest to figure out the solution. Yes, you want to have a race discussion, particularly black on white crime, but how would you feel if we opened up a million threads on why white dudes are more inclined towards pedophilia? 80% to 91% according to the FBI. Can you answer to that as a white male?

    A better question is if you're not a pedophile should you have to? Why should blacks who are not criminals have to answer or listen to people questioning them about the blacks that are?
     
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    You told us that they are human. Therefore, it follows that they are responsible for their actions.


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    There were no slave plantations in England at that time because there was no need for them. Slavery had pretty much gone out of fashion in England even before feudal times. In feudal times though there wasn't much difference, vassals were still owned by the lord of the manor and labour rights as we know them today didn't really appear until about the 19th Century. The slave trade operated to provide labour for those areas where voluntary labour didn't exist because ordinary people wouldn't volunteer to go there. So in essence slaves had to be used. The whole of the British West Indies is an example of slave labour to develop industries.
     
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    If they don't see it as a ghetto, but rather as a 'hood. White liberals don't want to live in the 'hood, but will claim silly things about not having fear.

    I think, truth be told, progressives are cowardly and resent those who are not.



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    Yes, being human does infer that there is some sort of free will in operation.
     
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    Quit dropping hints. What job are you claiming to have? This is the internet after all.

    I do want to have this discussion, so answer my question.

    Please show your pedophile stats.

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    Some sort of free will? Are you saying that blacks aren't fully capable of responsibility? Is that why progressives wanted them aborted?


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    Apparently, they still think that blacks are slaves. I don't know which is worse, honest racism (tell it like it is) or liberal racism (eugenics, affirmative action, MSM smoke screen of black crimes, etc.)
     
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    I've never been frightened of someone because of their racial appearance, if I can use that term. I have been, not frightened so much as startled, by someone with a firearm pointed at me, but that was down to the fact that they were armed, rather than what they looked like (aside from the weapon I mean). I have driven through some pretty run-down parts of US cities (Detroit comes immediately to mind) and fervently hoped that my rental car didn't suddenly stop on me. But that was due to the burned out buildings and car wrecks which were all over the place which gave a very sinister air to the joint (this was in daylight, okay at night I would have crapped my pants) rather than the appearance of the few pedestrians on the footpaths. I've driven through Crompton and Watts in a nice red rental Volvo that absolutely screamed, "I'm a dumbarse foreign tourist....mug me!" and felt quite confident at stopping at red lights when required to do so. Not that I'm a particularly courageous type, it's just that I didn't feel threatened by the appearance of pedestrians or even other drivers in those areas. I know, call it stupid innocence if you like, but I went to Watts for a reason, to see the Towers, I didn't get lost (not on that trip anyway).

    I was driving through South Central LA hours before the King verdict riots (the acquittal) on my way to drop off the rental care at LAX and remarked to my wife that the streets were strangely empty that morning, very different from their usual bustle. I got horribly lost in San Francisco one morning, ended up walking through the Tenderloin...okay that was scary, but the mix of weirdos on the street was of people of all sorts of appearances and I mean ALL sorts, but that was because of their behaviour, I'm sure the only reason I didn't get mugged was that the drugged-oout idiots thought I was part of their delusions.

    I wouldn't want to live in a hood or a ghetto or a barrio or whatever. I wouldn't want to live in Crown Heights, Brooklyn either, but that's not out of a fear of Hasidim, West Indians or African-Americans, it's just about choice. Although I do hear Crown Heights is being gentrified, probably too expensive for me anyway. I would seek out somewhere that I considered pleasant to live, like right now, where I live about ten minutes walk from the beach (bit cool today though).

    I'm not particularly courageous, I'm not particularly cowardly, I'm not particularly frightened of someone's outward appearance. The only time I've ever really felt I was about to be attacked was by a gang of white youths in a Paris metro station who I thought were stalking me (it wasn't me they were after, they had a target up ahead for some reason). I've had francophone Africans trying to sell me stuff while I was walking through the Tuileries, trust me it was like a baton relay race, going from one to the other, but a polite refusal each time was met with a good-natured smile.

    I'm very sure that fear breeds hatred and anger and that it builds up in the individual so that the natural (in evolutionary terms) of humans to stereotype kicks in when an object which is associated with fear and hatred and anger appears. Emotions overtake cognition and we go into a default mode out of defensiveness. If that defensiveness is activated due to racial appearance then it's not useful for survival, we're better off being able to quickly appraise a threat to ourselves, say in the street, but watching for behavioural cues rather than reacting simply to appearance.
     
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    Ah, the old words in the mouth trick eh?

    No, humans have free will but it's debatable as to the extent of that free will, hence my reference to "some sort of free will". Given that I believe that is the case for all humans it follows that I believe it's the case for humans of all cultural backgrounds and racial appearance. So, no I'm not saying that blacks aren't fully capable of anything.
     
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    There's a lot you don't know, but no matter, you can always make it up.
     
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    If you read a poster's posts sufficiently you can work out if they're bull(*)(*)(*)(*)ting. I have absolutely no doubt that Zosiasmom practices the profession she professes, as it were. I have been through many, many cross-examinations in criminal matters and the approach is identifiable. Approach at your peril :shock: :lol:
     
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    Sounds like you are not completely without common sense, but you are having a hard time admitting that you are aware of the danger of inner city areas.


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    Ah, so you don't believe that humans can be responsible for their actions. Are you against the criminal justice system?

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    Not really, I've met quite a few BS artists on the internet that had an education.


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    Very disturbing, what has been happening, and how it is mostly ignored.
    I don't see this on BBC...
     
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    I defend criminals, mostly drug crimes, but violent crimes obviously cross over. By the way, I hate the Bureau of Statistics website. It has the most unfriendly search engine then it points to .pdfs so I have to eyesight scan hundreds of pages, (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) **grumble grumble**

    This took me forever to find a copy of the Justice Dept report, I hope you appreciate it (seriously) because it was not as high as I had remembered:

    Table 1: Typical Characteristics of Violent Offenders in State Prisons,
    by Victim Age, 1997
    Offenders Against Offenders Against
    Characteristic Juveniles Adults
    Crime Sex offenses (65%) Violent nonsex offenses (93%)
    Race White (64%) Nonwhite (59%)
    Age at arrest Over age 30 (51%) Under age 30 (66%)
    Marital status Ever married (56%) Never married (60%)
    Relation to victim Relative/intimate (48%) Stranger (54%)
    Acquaintance (38%)
    Weapon No weapon (82%) Weapon (51%)

    64% white...for the purpose of the study (and the Zimmerman case folks will appreciate this) Hispanics were not classified as "white" the high figure of 80% is when you include Hispanic males as "white".

    Anyway it's on page 8. The latest preliminary stats is second link shoved somewhere in the pages.

    http://unhinfo.unh.edu/ccrc/pdf/offendersincarcerated.pdf

    http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/SOO.PDF


    So...do you feel better now that you made me work for it? I still don't think you should answer for white males, and in the process of finding the statistic I totally forgot my original point.
     
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    Where are the pedophile stats?



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    According to Diuretic, if you don't see it on the MSM, you're "making it up".
     

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