MOD ANNOUNCEMENT: Member Debates (Input needed)

Discussion in 'Debates & Contests' started by E_Pluribus_Venom, Jul 5, 2011.

  1. Think for myself

    Think for myself Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, which is why I used the word vagary, and not vague, because it was the word I intended to use.

    I am not sure of what your point was Trinnity other than to post a nasty little piece of a post in an effort to try and show something. I speak English. I use words like vagary, caudal, distal, and so on.

    So if you have a problem with me using words then please inform the mods. Because frankly, I leave the whole "communicate by picture" (*)(*)(*)(*) to the idiots.
     
  2. Agent Zero

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    Well yeah, the point is not to allow everyone to participate. These threads are different than the vast majority. Likewise, I don't go to parties I'm not invited to or decline to attend.
     
  3. flounder

    flounder In Memoriam Past Donor

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    Oh be still my heart,,,,Please, Oh please let me be worthy of such a Gift that it may be granted..Let me ask you? as these enlightened posters enter this most humble thread can we have a picture taken? ACTUALLY QUOTE THEM TOO? I really want to know if we can quote them word for word...it's important
    I wonder,,,how am I worthy, how is it this gift will be stowed upon me....
    [I believe we can still start any thread we like, or is that being altered as well.?] I think it is important we know this.

    I guess since these posters have been deemed to have the ''Right Stuff'' we can expect them all to have clean records right? We would not expect such things as infractions, warnings, or GOD FORBID BEING BANNED on their resume,,Heck last thing these people would want is to be labeled is HYPOCRITES!!!
    This is a very important question since trolling and other problematic things have been discussed as part of the reason for this. What's everybody's take on clean records?..I imagine it's very important. Unless certain posters are ''EXCUSED'' for their bad behavior. Naaaa they would never do that, to think that posters that have called other people Racists and Bigots with nothing more then unfounded opinions would never be part of anything like this.

    My God what kind of examples would they be? As pointed out in the OP we want to encourage a certain type of posting. I would expect all those with tarnished records would bow out honestly and willingly.
    We must insist on clean records, and very obviously nobody that has ever been banned should be placed in the position of Moding, Judging, or debating in this New Venture....AGREED?

    :boo:
     
  4. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    I would like to donate a new smiley to the Great Debate project. Everybody reading the debate gets one of these to use as you see fit, just don't you dare say a word. [​IMG]
     
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  5. E_Pluribus_Venom

    E_Pluribus_Venom Well-Known Member

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    That was never suggested by a moderator, here.
     
  6. E_Pluribus_Venom

    E_Pluribus_Venom Well-Known Member

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    Precisely, and I'm pleased this point is understood.
     
  7. Shangrila

    Shangrila staff Past Donor

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    Pfffffft, love you too.:hug:
    All I'm saying is that we can create another thread about the same topic and go at it. We don't even have to pay attention to the other thread at all.
    No one will make you even look.:magnify:


    EPV, how about a poll to see who's for it and who's against?
     
  8. E_Pluribus_Venom

    E_Pluribus_Venom Well-Known Member

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  9. AshenLady

    AshenLady New Member Past Donor

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    Sounds like good fun; I'm all for it.
     
  10. liberalminority

    liberalminority Well-Known Member

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    that and also it may be trying to encourage those debates with links and facts.

    good old fashioned bar room debates have been the mainstay here but this type of posting could be ok once in awhile.
     
  11. flounder

    flounder In Memoriam Past Donor

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    Should not even be a thread, it should be in Group. This site allows all members to participate, that's why we have group,,for those that want to be ...errr ''Special''

    This idea is against what the very site stands for and the majority realizes that, group participation or dont you see that? Would you like to show me all the debates here that are ruined by this? Are these people handicapped or something?, short attention span perhaps? If separate is what they want then let them have it in group, have you looked at the polls? They do not have conservative debaters, they hardly have any conservative judges as well...

    Oh,,,the tomato was not for you,,,LOL,,,it was for the idea...:date:
     
  12. flounder

    flounder In Memoriam Past Donor

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    I think you should take a look at the threads, most people where required do post Links. If they forget they supply them, all of us have done that at times, this will not teach Squat.
     
  13. dreadpiratejaymo

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    I have to say, I don't see any harm in trying it.

    I really still don't understand why people are against the idea of trying something new.

    It was suggested that they would work on site performance if they were going to work on something. I personally haven't had a problem with site performance since it went down last time the database was corrupted. That was several months ago, and I visit this site every day.

    That is another thing. It was suggested that when they donated it was to improve site stability and they wouldn't have donated if they knew it wasn't going for that. Donating money doesn't put you on the board of directors or make you a stock holder.

    More than once, I have been told that this site is for open debate only. Then I am given an example of how you can actually have closed debate on this site. So which is it?

    If you already have closed debate on your site, then this is NOT a site for open debate. Even if it was a site for open debate, let say the owner wanted to change that, who are we to say "no"?
     
  14. Viv

    Viv Banned by Request

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    There are no Con debaters or judges because they have probably ganged together to boycott the idea. That may be because if any of the Cons have to debate without having his/her back covered by the attack pack, they will lose the debate.

    Utter hypocrisy. Complaining this will exclude, while being a member of a group who gang together to exclude any differing opinion from a fair hearing.:puke:
     
  15. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    Conservatives form alliances; liberals form war parties... and long to be put up on pedestals where their voices are the only ones heard. Notice how many libs signed up to be judges? This kinda thing is right up their alley.
     
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  16. yguy

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    Get real. If any lefty here could increase his IQ by tenfold, and team up with ten just like him, I could mop up the floor with the lot of them AFTER my lobotomy.
     
  17. flounder

    flounder In Memoriam Past Donor

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    mmm, this is just a guess but...did the left band together to be for it? Reading this page and others one might say that. I believe the left has their own group as well....
    Come on Viv,,hypocritical?
     
  18. flounder

    flounder In Memoriam Past Donor

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    There is little to no interest in a closed thread, and no interest in a contest. So those that want it would be better off in group..You still get what you want and everybody is happy...follow? Nobody is stopping you.
    Why is anybody told to go to group? Why?,,,can we all apply for closed threads as well since amount of interest does not matter?

    Then you are not on enough, we still have threads complaing about bad performance

    Course not, but I would not have donated either.

    Closed debate is normally for groups, most sites have that. [Save the Whales etc], you could just as well debate.

    OK,,I explained what is closed. As far as the owner, sure they can do whatever they like,,,that does not mean this is what they would like. Secondly, why would an owner want something unpopular? Does that make sense to you? especially when space is a premium here?
     
  19. Viv

    Viv Banned by Request

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    It appears some Cons form flocks (or bully gangs) and run about attacking anything they don't understand en masse. Now away in and ask the Commandant what you're to post next. Sorry, that should possibly read Commander, but mutton dressed as lamb in any case. And the laughable part is, you probably all believe you are anti-collectivist, but can't function as individuals in a debate on a forum?

    Apart from that, the point was missed - Cons appeared to be fairly interested in this idea, it seems a fair possibility they have been directed to run in the other direction.

    No concern at all for what is good for the forum, fear of allowing a differing opinion to be expressed and fear of taking a tanking in debate if it's one to one.

    The only chance anyone has of genuine debate here is the one to one suggestion. Look at this thread, even highlighting the pack attack mentality, I'm pack attacked :-D Let's hope the Commandant commands the pack to "not feed the troll".

    Prove it. Put your name down for one to one debate.

    I am a member of one group here, Europeans, set up a month ago by Magnum. I rejoined it about 2 weeks ago. I think we have discussed cultural differences, where people come from and their ancestry, whether Ratko Mladic/Radovan Karadzic are war heroes or war criminals, whether giving Serbia a huge stretch of beach and Kosovo a tiny stretch was a smart move regarding income from tourism (I could have that the wrong way round) and the thread is about local cooking at the moment.

    The thought of directing Euros to pack attack is a howler. Their main characteristic is independent thinking and even within the group there is no cohesion and we are prone to bashing each other. And that's the way we like it. It breeds critical analysis.

    So I post my opinion. Try to direct me though, if you think that's a possibility.
     
  20. Shangrila

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    Whoa. Is that you Viv?
     
  21. yguy

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    I do it all the time.
    One to one, nothing - I'll do one against ten, because ten wrongs lose to one right every time. What I will NOT do is agree to any rules more structured than the existing rules of the board, or agree to be judged by a select coterie of pinheads. Let those who are interested follow the debate and judge for themselves.
     
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  22. Viv

    Viv Banned by Request

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    Oh yes it is. I've been keeping out of here because I have the forum's best interests at heart.

    What is it? Do people think we don't see what's in front of our faces? Bad enough the constant organised misuse of the rep board. Now there's a gang deciding who can be engaged in debate and who is to be ignored, who is to be treated as a troll and the Cons here, even the ones with a brain, are going right along with it? What kind of community is that?

    Great fun to be part of a bully gang, attacking genuine posters, but it's not fun for those subjected to pack pile ons and it absolutely inhibits any chance of free and genuine debate. If Flounder is concerned about freedom of speech on the forum, why is he not concerned about this?

    So yes, it's me. I haven't stood up for a while, but I'm standing up now.
     
  23. Viv

    Viv Banned by Request

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    That sounds good, actually. I enjoy one to one debate, but am not competitive and don't like being conspicuous. It's just about finding the truth. I actually like thinking things through in cooperation with other posters, not as adversaries particularly. One to one debate moderated to preset standards would require someone to judge whether people are sticking to the rules of the debate style. Maybe it doesn't require judgement on the outcome, though, as you say.
     
  24. dreadpiratejaymo

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    There seems to be a fair amount of people interested in it. Several people have posted their interest in this thread. You are by far the loudest sane voice against it, and you don't really have a lot of support from people that I think could win a real debate if their life depended on it.

    We also still have people using Internet Explorer as well as people who would buy a Mac because looking at porn makes their computer run slower...

    I'd say I browse this site an hour a day on average. I am on plenty.

    Why did you donate in the first place?

    But since threads about the debate thread would be allowed, it isn't a closed debate, now is it?

    I think it would be nice to let 2 people have an honest and open debate without being able to make a personal attack, flamebait or OT post without it being moderated for 4 days. I like the idea of 2 people being able to argue one on one without an ignorant peanut gallery cheering on their heroes from the sidelines when they don't really understand the argument that is coming from either side.

    A debate is actually a very formal thing. As far as I am aware, never in the history of PF has there been a public debate, which is what this would be.

    I have decided that I disagree with what you are calling a debate.
     
  25. yguy

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    Sheesh. One minute yer a fire-breathing feminazi, the next yer a beacon of enlightened reason. Make up yer mind, already. :p
     

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