>>MOD WARNING<<<Nine die at black church in Charleston

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Melanie Eversley, USA TODAY 3:11 a.m. EDT June 18, 2015

CHARLESTON, S.C. — Nine people have died in a shooting at a historic black church in Charleston, S.C., police said early Thursday morning.<<<<selected excerpt>>>>>Among the dead was the state senator who was pastor of the church, Democrat Clementa Pinckney, said South Carolina House Minority Leader Todd Rutherford, the Associated Press reported. Pinckney, 41, was married with two children and had served in the state Senate since 2000, according to online biographies.he shooting took place at about 9 p.m. ET, Charleston police said. The gunman is still on the loose, they said.<<<<<<<selected excerpt>>>>>>>>The suspect is a clean-shaven white male about 21 years old with sandy blond hair, and is wearing a gray sweatshirt or hoodie, blue jeans and Timberland boots, officials said.

Read more at http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/06/17/charleston-south-carolina-shooting/28902017/

Was this a hate crime? Was this staged to look like a hate crime but was a cover for a covert agenda? Or was this atrocity something else?

Discuss


reva

 

It's impossible that such intelligent people like Americans could commit such a heinous crime like this. So we must look for the culprit elsewhere. I'm sure that intellectual heavyweights on this forum such tecoyah, ararmer1919, Ronstar, AA, Dixie, hoosier etc...etc...will find the way to pin it down on Russkies. The guy must be a Russian spy who was directly sent by Putin to carry out such a despicable crime in order to destroy a lovely coexistence and relationship between White and Black population in the USA. Blame it on Putin.

 

No, probably blamed on Obama. Chances are that he (not Obama!) will do it again. Yet another mass killing yet many still claim that the biggest threat to their country are some people living 10,000 miles away.

Some Americans need to look at their politics and problems closer to home.

 

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1) No, it was a love crime. People always kill the ones they love.

2) Conspiracy theories anyone? I think this was orchestrated by none other than; "Zamfir - Master of the Pan Flute."

3) Aliens.

4) Here's a wild hypothesis, maybe, just maybe, these murders were committed by a very sick individual.

 

Yet another mass shooting that could have been prevented if a lot of people in that church were carrying firearms. When will we learn. The only thing that will stop a shooter is another shooter.

 

Terrible. The shooter was another young guy. Hope they catch him alive so we can find out why he did this not that any sense can be made of it. My heart goes out to the families.

 

Yeah, there is something seriously wrong with many of today's youth.

 

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And yet another person making a conjecture based on his own myopic bias towards guns. Never mind there is absolutely no evidence so far, to suggest people having guns could have stopped it.

 

If these people could magically get a second chance, I bet they would choose to carry guns with them that day.

 

And there is "absolutely no evidence so far, to suggest people" NOT "having guns could have" NOT "stopped it."

If you want to "use" evidence against something, you MUST have evidence in the first place......

 

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It's equally as plausible they could have ended up shooting each other too. I have a conceal-carry license and would have thought twice about shooting someone in a crowded situation. While I agree that having guns might have saved a few lives, there are just too many logistical unknowns to make a general call on that.

 

A agree but the chance to stop him would still be there whether it could have been done or not. Not having the chance guarantees he would cause more damage.

 

You forgot someone just as likely that perped the crime, the devil.

reva



The cost of freedom is paid by in pain of innocents by the necessity of allowing some souls more freedom than they deserve. revsez

 

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That makes no sense. News services don't report idiotic conjectures, except maybe WND. If you are going to suggest this as a opinion, that's one thing but it's not fact.

 

True however I have to say Josh77 is more correct. For example if you were in that church that awful day would you felt better if you had left your cc at home or in your auto? Even more revealing, would you wish that the church congregation be armed that day or unarmed? On both questions I would vote for being armed. I would take my chances of taking a stray bullet.
reva

 

Leave it to the Gun Worshippers to turn this into a call for more guns, to be so happy they have another "reason" for people to pack guns...

 

Isn't it obvious that a lot of the violence including the firearm violence is caused in large part by the break down of the family unit and with it traditional values etc? AKA general moral decay, normal for most free societies with a relative well off citizenship. What is the difference between today's gun happy society and the society of say 50 or 60 years ago? Sixty years ago something like a child carrying a firearm into a school and blasting away would have been an extraordinary aberration. Today its like; 'Holy crap honey did you see the news, there was ANOTHER school shooting!'

So I have come to the conclusion its 1...nurture, rather the lack of nurture, 2...the environment that children are raised in. It's 3..... sensitization of everyone but especially children to violence, and 4.... the glamorization of violence and criminality, of which I add the mental cases. Lastly its 6.... declining church membership, ie religious belief and decay of the traditional family unit. I will not go into source studies (just yet unless rebutted), and other evidences to support my conclusions.

Also, its obvious that a smaller number of catalysts that create violence not listed above are not related to moral decay or the decline of the family unit. That is the crimes of passion and crimes of rage. Those probably will be with us forever. However, all the others are fixable, even though I doubt they will improve considering the obvious trends towards more of the same ie moral decay and disintegration of the buttresses of traditional American society including persecution of traditional Christianity and values. reva

 

Not more guns its a call for the anti-firearm crusaders in their twilight years of their groups existence to admit they have been wrong all these years and hurry on down to the sheriffs office and get their cc permits. I would rather have a blockhead covering my back than have no cover at all, lol. (Franklin called many undesirables blockheads)...reva

 

Yup, it's a celebration for you.......

 

Once again.....GUNS are not the problem....PEOPLE are the problem. (Although interesting to note these mass shootings are "usually" carried out by some jackass white kid with a girls haircut.)

As this story progresses, I'm sure (as always) it will come out that there were clear signs along the way this this deranged individual was capable of this and as usual, our POLITICALLY CORRECT society made it difficult if not impossible to do anything about it.

Until we collectively awake from our drunken stupor of believing there is such thing as "Utopia" and that all men should be considered equal*, these things will continue to plague us all.
The notion that eliminating guns would solve the problem is about as ignorant as thinking outlawing cars because of road rage would eliminate angry, aggressive behavior.

*Unlike the founding Fathers, I do not believe ALL men are created mentally "equal". I believe some are created more evil than others. Some are created without the ability to control themselves. And some do not deserve freedom, and I contend it crosses ALL racial and ethnic lines.

 

Nothing to do with guns, but the culture.

 

Yes true if all the anti-gun pundits wised up it would be, beers would be on me. reva

 

Good post I agree. Freedom is costly at times but the absence of freedom is slavery and death to the soul.
reva

 

Well no, he's not russkie. He's a black male, made to look like a white person, a male equivalent of Rachale Doleezal if you will, but with more sinister agenda - to make this appear a white on black hate crime.

 

LOL...I don't suppose you have any evidence to support the notion that the shooter is actually a black male?