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  1. billy the kid

    billy the kid Well-Known Member

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    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...n/news-story/c4adb75696227c673b6760e859323895

    What a load of unadulterated garbage.
    It seems that the school and the D of E is suffering from dhimmitude by allowing schoolboys not to shake hands with women.
    Oh wait a minute, we have to recognize and respect the cultural, linguistic and religious backgrounds of all students, with the intent to promote an open and tolerant attitude towards a diverse Australian community(*),&#8221; a spokesman said.
    Well, hang on, what about OUR cultural, linguistic and religious backgrounds.
    Dont they matter.
    Of course not.
    We have to accept that the islamic culture is better than ours, therefore, we have to cowtow
    to their cultural, linguistic and religious background.
    Heaven forbid if we wanted them to adhere to OUR cultural backgrounds.
    Its all a bit hypocritical really, isnt it.
    On one side of the world, its ok for muslims to rape any non muslim woman they get their
    hands on, but in Australia, they cant touch women....pft...
    Of course, in Switzerland, the Swiss Justice Minister says that not shaking hands
    is not her idea of integration......
    http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/n...-muslim-students-swiss-canton-rules-203229226
    The original decision to allow boys not to shake their female teachers hand prompted an
    outcry across Switzerland, where the tradition of students shaking their teachers' hands as a sign of respect is deeply entrenched.
    The original decision was reversed and now not shaking hands brings a fine of up to $5000.
    And what do we do in Australia.
    We submit.
    We bow to political correctness.
    We bow to dhimmitude.
    We even have muslim litigants refusing to adhere to our legal customs of standing
    for the Judge and removing head gear.
    Our customs just get chipped away by islam and we do nothing.
    We just bend at the knee.
    Australia is being islamacized and the only people that do anything about it
    are Hanson and Lambie.

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  2. waltky

    waltky Well-Known Member

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    No need to shake hands with womens...
    :confusion:
    ... just give `em the 'Trump handshake'...
    :omg:
    ... Uncle Ferd says dey'll thank ya fer it.
    :wink:
     
  3. scarlet witch

    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think it's a big mistake, as a business woman the handshake at the beginning and end of a meeting is very important. It serves to re-enforce a sense of professionalism, establishing a boundary within the business relationship and limits on what will be discussed.
     
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    billy the kid Well-Known Member

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    Personally, I feel that a handshake means, above everything else, acceptance, trust,
    and friendship.
    The odd thing about this is that Keysar Trad refers to hadiths which support this.
    Well, hadiths are mostly unsubstantiated persian dribble written many years after
    mohammed passed away.
    According to islamic hadith, it is &#8220;better for you to be stabbed in the head with an iron needle than to touch the hand of a woman who is not permissible to you&#8221;.
    But then again, the koran, and many muslim clerics and scholars (whatever they are)
    openly approve of rape.
     
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    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Please let uncle Ferdi know he made my day LMAO!
     
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    LeftRightLeft Well-Known Member

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    I have no idea what you're talking about as the link says I have to subscribe?
     
  7. billy the kid

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    Very good article, it proves my point. Here is the opinion of President of the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils Keysar Trad from that article.

     
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    I was listening to "the drum" earlier and there were a couple of points I agree with. 1) it does not matter so long as respect is shown. That made me think of some cultures where they will kiss a woman's hand instead of shaking it Hindus may use the namaste gesture which is very respectful
    And 2) This discussion around feminism seems to only be around Muslims and when it comes to everyday feminist issues all of a sudden it is radicalism
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I do think it matters, in a social situation I couldn't care less, but in a business environment if you're going to shake all the men's hand then ignore mine I'm going to feel discriminated against. No I'm not going to go berserk about it but there it is, what are they going to want next, me wearing a veil in their presence, because don't forget that's offensive too.

    I think the Swiss got it right (from previous link posted in op)

    yes it's discrimination, sorry but that's what it is
    http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/no-handshake-exemption-muslim-students-swiss-canton-rules-203229226

     
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    I think everyone is missing the point.
    And that is, that the school and the D of E has bowed to islamic pressure
    and made the change.
    The very act of shaking hands is an indication of trust bestowed upon each other,
    originating in pre BC times where soldiers showed that carried no weapon by shaking hands.
    This element of trust is embodied by our culture, but islam comes up with the crap
    that it protects women. I find it insulting that our customs are denigrated by
    an ideology that obviously feels it is superior to all non muslims.
    It shows how weak our leaders are when it comes to brushing our customs
    aside and sucking up to a muslim hadith which hasnt even been proven
    actually exists.
    Once again, our culture is chipped away by islam.......just like we now have to say
    happy holidays instead of merry xmas to appease muslims, and the military medics hat badge fiasco
    where they wanted to remove words/items to appease muslims.....but thats another story...
     
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    In the next post, "the kid" in his usual supercilious mannor say's "We have got it all wrong" I am assuming he means BB and myself. The problem is, I got nothing wrong, I never even made any real statement I merely posted an extract from the article he himself posted.

    You seem to as a lot of people do, are misled by the editors of the paper. The headline could easily have read "Prominant Muslim leader, Keysar Trad - President of the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils disagrees with decison of school."

    Then we would see it in an entirely different light. Who was it that made the decision, from what I see it was the teachers and students, not a push by Islam to take over the world, actually both he (Trad) and the Australian Grand Mufti are happy to shake hands with women. Things are changeing if we let them, the rubbish we see here is just disheartening those that are trying to live peacefully here and geeing up those radicals on both sides, which can oly serve to help sites like Jihadwatch as they are run by radical extreme right wing jews and gum manufacturers. You are a smart woman, think about it.
     
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    Well, call me old fashioned, but Trad, in typical muslim double talk, taqiyya turned the situation around
    and attempted to deceive everyone by saying it protects women.
    Well, you see the school and the D of E are talking about allowing BOYS to refuse to shake the
    hands of WOMEN.
    This is not a story about protecting women..far from it..
    The issue here is that muslim boys have decided not to shake hands with women.
    And the school and the D of E support their stance.
    Its got nothing to do with women being protected.
    Its purely and simply forcing the muslim culture into our society.
    And by the way..why has this just cropped up..why hasnt this been an
    issue for decades..oh..they must have just thought about it..pft...
    Its a deliberate attempt to undermine our culture and disrespect our values
    by substituting the high and mighty muslim culture in its place.
    Oh by the way...are the female teachers at this school muslim teachers..
    If not, then this is even more proof that its muslim double talk.
    Since when did islam protect "non muslim" women....
     
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    you have the answer to the problem right there in your own words and are just too bloody brainwashed to see it, good luck with that I am finished with people who make fools of themselves so go right on keeping on...

    oh and as usual in typical Trumpspeak you cannot be wrong.
    If the Muslims don't speak out against things, they are supporting them.
    When they do speak out they are lying, so you have yourself a win win method of arguing which is a good thing, because your arguments have no real substance as the one above shows.
     
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    Gimme a break...
    Blind freddie can see that this is deliberate white anting of our society by theirs.
    Trad takes the position of "I dont have a problem with it"
    Of course he would say that.
    Open your eyes old man.
    This is just a trial run.
    One day all schools with muslims will have them refusing to shake
    hands of female teachers...
    Good luck..I am finished with people who cant see the forest for the trees...
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...chool-headteacher-death-threats.html#comments
     
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    I think it is your eyes that need to be opened, at the moment you are tunnel visioned, actually bordering on obsessed with Islamophobia.

    <has an obsession with Jihad><has an obsession with Islam><has an obsession with Sharia Law><has an obsession with being right>

    You see, while you do all your research looking for any little thing to get your claws into, I look at the big picture. I look at the religion itself, not what others say about it. I talk to Muslims about it, not listen to what others say about Muslims. I look at all the good stories and people, not just the bad ones. I make informed, researched intelligent decisions, not biased knee jerk ones. You are right however on one thing, I am not looking at the forrest, I am looking at the trees, each one is a unique individual with their good qualities and their bad ones, I just don't wrap up a billion plus people into one package (forest) and debase them all, reason shows that they are all as individual as we are.
     
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    Keep defending this misogynist and backward ideology/religion...and Ill do the opposite...
     
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    ok so billy is just stirring up propaganda, but we must understand it's these types of grey areas extreme right wingers feed on.

    I think there should be other solutions to these types of problems and they should never be legal, because religious rights should never supersede other rights, like my right to equality.

    I think perhaps teachers should use initiative and suggest other options to the children, like borrowing from another non touching culture, like Japan, the two parties may agree to bow to one another instead... using gloves is another.

    I also think it's an opportunity to educate on both sides, it's one of those things that offend without meaning to.

     
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    Islam is the new feminism isn't it? :roflol:
    Because a muslim women can manipulate the reality sufficiently to justify her own subjugation and maintain the delusion, she must be right, right!

    It sounds like its a custom/rule/law to protect Muslim women, and so then is not relevant to non-Muslim women - then lets be honest about the real reason.... we gotta watch for misogyny in this country as domestic violence is a serious problem.

    But as mentioned, some people can justify being subjugated if they just pretend its in their interests BUT our society cannot allow that subjugation to be extended to others - even under the guise of protecting them (from Muslim men I assume? #sarcasm).
     
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    Sorry, its not propaganda...the refusal to shake hands is just another way for muslim men
    to denigrate women. The shaking of hands cant occur, because this might place women on
    a level footing with men, and islam cant have that can it when you consider that women
    are deemed as half the value of men....
    Oh by the way, are there problems with islam all over the world...no of course not, its
    just me and my islamophobia...another muslim word to stop criticism of islam......pft...
    "Solutions to these types of problems..." why is it a problem...I dont have a problem shaking
    hands with women...but a few brainwashed kids in Hurstville seem to have one...
     
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    You ever lived anywhere in the Arab world?

    This story is BS. When a western woman offers her hand for a handshake most Muslim men will shake hands.

    You all are pathetic,
     
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    Spoken like a true muslim apologist.
    Have you ever lived in Australia, where refusal to shake hands is considered
    quite offensive...
    Stick to your arabic beliefs please until you learn a little about Australian customs.
    In any case, it was the muslim boys who did the refusing...so blame them...
     
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    Trump refused to shake hands for YEARS and made it the topic of many interviews over the past 30 years.

    Muslim boys can be every bit as stupid as Christian boys............
     
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    I repeat...have you ever lived in Australia..
     
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    Billy you know that's not why,
    however I do think it presents a problem for Muslims in the western world, do they now wear a cap all the time or I don't shake T-shirt, lots of awkward situation opportunities. Of course if you find yourself in a predominantly Muslim country you wouldn't offer your hand to shake because you adopt the culture of the country you are in.




     

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