<Mod Warning> Your shout mohammed.

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  1. Bowerbird

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    Apparently instead of shaking hands they put thier hands over thier hearts and bowed. Personally I would be delighted at such a show of respect

    And as a nurse I can tell you there are some hands you just do not wish to shake - nose pickers, people with scabies etc

    Do you know that they have filmed people in toilets and 50% do not wash thier hands afterwards?
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    :roflol: I agree I would be fine with a mutual bow, however wouldn't like to be singled out in a group of business people as the only one who couldn't shake :lol: It's tough enough out there as it is :grin:
     
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    Mate I work with Indian staff and often they will give the Namaste greeting rather than shake hands and as for indigenous men- ever heard of "men's business"? Take it from me you do NOT offer a female to male handshake
     
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    Arent you being a bit contradictory here..."Of course if you find yourself in a predominantly Muslim country you wouldn't offer your hand to shake because you adopt the culture of the country you are in."
    Doesnt the second part of that sentence contradict the first.
    Adapting to the culture of the country you are in suggests that muslims shouldnt have a problem
    shaking hands with people in Australia...does it not..
    In any case, our resident muslim apologist, Margot2 say that people shake hands all the time in
    the arab world...
     
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    Mate...I guess we will all have to say "sorry"
     
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    There is actually some discussion around handshaking in infection control circles as it represents a significant point of transfer of microorganisms - especially antibiotic resistant microorganisms such as MRSA and VRE
     
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    billy the kid Well-Known Member

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    I cant see how islam can be the new anything if it began in the stone ages and is yet to be..
    shall we say...updated...
     
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    Stone age thinking is believing that you can manhandle women just because YOU think they might like that!! At least these boys were not following Trumps example about how to greet a woman
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I believe when it comes to the law, it should not be changed to accomodate religion.... any religion. I would still prefer to shake hands when meeting in a business setting (in a western country) than being bowed at, stock standard greeting in the west.

    It's easy for me because I'm not morally restricted when it comes to shaking hands. So acknowledge the dilemma it represents to Muslims, and those who can't cope may bow to me :roflol: Just kidding lol

    Seriously again I think it's something that should be resolved with initiative between the parties involved and should never involve the law.


     
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    I agree, look I do not agree with most Muslim customs and teachings, I also believe that there is a small, vocal and active group of radical Islamists who should be rounded up and imprisoned for life. I do not believe however we should be debasing other cultures just because they are different to ours.

    Yes there is always workarounds and comptemises and some things will change as we see every day and was refected in the extract I took from the kids link. Yes we need to be concerned, vigilant and protective of the rights we have achieved, but we must also be mature, open minded and respectful of others, it is such a small issue to such a small group of people.
     
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    Of course it shouldn't involve the law

    But honestly SW - if someone did the Namaste greeting (hands together with bow) at a business meeting would you be offended?
     
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    God, all you people must be on a day off or something..get back to work you lazy bums....
     
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    Yet I showed you a perfect example of where it is being "updated" taken from your very own link, yet you are too blinded to see the big picture because of the small one.
     
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    no I'd be delighted and return the gesture, I think it's like LRL said the article was written to mislead, and confess to being a notorious scanner of articles :grin:

     
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    Youre boring the crap out of me old man...I think Ill go for a surf at Kirra..
    The water looks beautiful down there.....
     
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    to be honest I have a stack of work but going for my jog now..... bowing out :lol:
     
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    I think it's just accomodating people full stop. Ive met women who really don't like shaking hands but just a polite nod and how are you. There are women I've pecked on the cheek depending on the circumstances......I certainly wouldn't be taking Trumps leadership on how to interact with women. Yes, these women are from European Australian backgrounds. If a women wants something more, I start sweating and freeze with fear, unless of course it's my wife, then I'm all gee!
     
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    That's why I like the handshake T, there are some men who are unsure how to greet a women, shaking hands gets rid of much of the awkwardness when coming across someone like that. Shake hands, politely enquire about their wellbeing then get down to the business at hand. End the meeting with a handshake and no one feels awkward about it....well no one non-muslim anyway, will include bowing in my repertoire of greetings :grin:

    btw I have had dealings with 2 Iranian clients... was more than 10 years ago and yes they did shake my hand. :)

     
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    Well at least you do not have to do the Indian thing of kissing the feet!!!

    Ummmm - worse than handshakes by a looooong way!!! Lols!!!!
     
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    I think "some" western women think it's a men's thing. I've come across it heaps and I ain't that scary I don't think : ). I always wait for initiation because it doesn't bother me how I greet. If I had to greet by touching noses I'm all sweet with that. If it's a peck on the cheek I'm sweet with that. If I was expected to kiss their hand I'm sweet with that. So I don't really care in any shape or form. It is whatever the other person is comfortable with for personal, religious or customary reasons. I'd probably stop at kissing feet though as BB has alluded to, unless it was my wife and I wanted to travel away to play some golf with the buddies! It works every time by the way!
     
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    I didn't realise it was a big deal. Well at least not big enough to carry a thread. I travel for business all over the world and have never ever had any issues. Shaking hands is just how it is.

    And no BB I am yet to kiss any feet in India. lol. Although to get a deal through over there you come close at times. Haha!
     
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    True. When I was living in Laos it was the nop, like the Thai wai. If I met a local for the first time (male or female) I would give them a nop then wait for them to give me their hand. Friends and acquaintances it would be a handshake, hug or kiss on both cheeks French style, depending on the gender and how close I was to them. It's the polite thing to do. Also the higher the hands, the more respect shown. My wife's close friend is a Vice Minister. Whenever we met I'd give her a nop out of respect for her position, then wait for her to hug me or kiss both cheeks French style.
     
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    I got your point I just couldn't care less. My mother's generation is very uncomfortable with shaking hands, they consider it a masculine thing and very unladylike. Different strokes for different folks. Mum still shrinks and tries to hide if someone tries to shake her hand. She's only 5' so she hides pretty easily. ;)

    I confess I found your list of Muslim evils tl:dr and I've heard it all before. Do you have the list copied and pasted to a word document so you can add to it daily? I'll be afraid of/offended by Muslims when one actually harms/offends me or mine.
     
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    I subscribe to Rupert's rag. It won't let me copy and paste properly, but it says senior Islamic figures have denounced the decision. Senior Islamic clerics throughout Australia shake hands with women. It quotes a Department of Education spokesperson saying that the school made the decision in consultation with students, parents, teachers and the Department, and the Department supports the school as it well knows the needs of its student body. The issue came up in relation to the school's 2016 presentation day. The students of the school cross their hand across their chest as a mark of respect to a woman instead of shaking hands. It kind of reminds me of namaste.
     
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