Modern Feminism gives women an excuse to be horrible people.

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  1. Distraff

    Distraff Well-Known Member

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    Nope, Jack O'Neill here commanding officer of the Stargate-1 team.

    Yup, every group has its radicals.

    Here are some definitions of feminism I found online:
    "the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes"
    "organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests"

    By these definitions, I am a feminist, most people are feminists, and you are probably one too.

    Feminism is simply about equal rights. Radicals in this movement and have given feminism a really bad name and that shows by your complete misunderstanding of what feminism really is.
     
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    Those are just cute words baked together to create a sweet sentence. I have no idea what any of that is supposed to mean in practice. I am fully aware Feminism is a broad umbrella with trillions and trillions, if not bazillions, of branches going all over the place. Exactly this lack of structure is one of the main reasons (together with it being entirely based on physical atributes) I do not identify with it.

    My philosophy is simple, if you want to be one then you are free to be one as long as you do not force me to be one too.
     
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  3. Distraff

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    Those aren't cute words, thats the dictionary definition. If you don't like English move to Mexico.
     
  4. DarkDaimon

    DarkDaimon Well-Known Member

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    I'm curious to know what this "unequal power imbalance" you are talking about is. Where do you see women more powerful than men?
     
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    Child Custody, Child Support, and Alimony for starters.
     
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    Yeah, I should have predicted somebody would bring this up, because this is the ONLY place where women have an advantage.

    Actually, the inequality involving child custody was not created by feminism, but rather by men thinking that, only women know how to take care of children (because of course, this is all women know how to do). Of course, when one parent has custody, the other parent pays the support, so yeah, if men are getting hosed in custody, but default, they get hosed in support. This is why modern feminism is actually against this and strive to make it equal among men and women. As for alimony, in 1979, the Supreme Court in Orr v. Orr ruled that making men pay alimony but not women was unconstitutional. Of course, even now, only 3% of men get alimony from their spouse, but that is mainly because of old stereotypes and machismo (many men find it emasculating to receive alimony). There are actually feminists who want to get rid alimony altogether.
     
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    But you are probably ok with muslim lifestyle, because, you know, muslim women don't really matter.
     
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    The matrix of victimhood which really makes up not just feminism but possibly the majority world view has to be the most stultifying thing on the planet. As long as you believe that you've got a raw deal, and that the game is rigged, it's very difficult to mount any kind of effective action, and very easy to build a whole lifestyle upon useless complaining and foggy moral indignation. Any group which is attributed with the victim label should beware, and steadfastly resist this kind of thinking; I don't think it can be overemphasised just how disempowering it is.
     
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    I think that the feminists who want to get rid of alimony would have a tidal wave of any single mums on their back as soon as that idea threatened to become a reality. Because of this, it's difficult to accept that alimony flows are skewed only because of the male idea of what is to be expected. It must be a two-way street.
     
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    I have issues with any religion that makes women second class citizens, which is why I support a secular government with a strong separation of church and state.
     
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    It is alright, bro. I already live in a non-English speaking country.
     
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    I agree. In addition, the "support" rules were heavily influenced by the idea that a woman was a "victim" who had no good (or severely disadvantaged) means of supporting herself. (which was true back in the day).

    While I agree with your premise - there are a whole lot of nazi feminists that worked real hard to maintain this inequality and increase this inequality over the last number of decades.

    I agree with alimony. If one parent sacrifices future income to raise children there should be compensation for this but, within limits. Tens of millions of dollars exceed those limits

    The men of old perhaps found alimony emasculating but the world has changed.

    What is interesting is that if you try and victimize a younger woman these days - claiming she was "disadvantaged" due to her gender - she will likely smack you !

    The people who are going to change this inequality are women. The reason for this is because the laws are starting to impact more women. While 3% may be the current figure - that number will rise rapidly over the next few decades.

    While I am optimistic that things will change in the future - at the moment things are pretty bad.

    One thing that should be changed immediately "IMO" is law that makes men responsible for the financial consequences of a woman's unilateral decision to carry a pregnancy to term.

    This is a violation of the rule of law - one person is not to be made responsible for the actions of another. I understand the rational for this back in the day - when religious and other factors were in play - but, there is no justification for this anathema to justice in today's world.
     
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    The Bible sums up the sort of gal every man dreams of marrying..:)
    "A wife of noble character who can find?
    She is worth far more than rubies.
    Her husband has full confidence in her
    and lacks nothing of value.
    She brings him good, not harm,
    all the days of her life" (Proverbs 31)

     
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    And don't forget these gems:

    "Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)

    "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything." (Ephesians 5:22-24)

    "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 14:34-35)

    Yep, what every man dreams of, a silent slave.
    :roll:
     
  15. Ben Abrahams

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    Hi guys,
    I am new here and just want to post about how feminism is a mean, nasty, capricious, and vindictive campaign to advocate superiority over men. If any women believe that feminism is about promoting equality then they couldn't be farther from the truth. If we look at America, for example, 85% of women believe in equality among the sexes, whereas only 18% of women are feminists. The numbers are even more shocking in the UK, where 92% of women believe in equality whereas only 7% of women identify themselves as feminists. Obviously we can see here that equality does not equate to feminism. First, we have to understand that women nowadays are the freest they have ever been. All these myths and mystifications about the gender pay gap, campus rapes etc. is absolute nonsense.
    I want to address the gender pay gap in particular because it seems like the biggest concern to feminists out there today. The gender pay gap is a myth that needs to be debunked. You'll find that in modern society much more women are getting more and better degrees than men are. Yet women still behave as though they live in a sexist society. Let's imagine that men, instead, were getting more and better degrees than women, surely women would see that as a sexist society too. We also have to address the fact that women are more favourable in job applications by a factor of 2 to 1; so already we see that there's no winning with feminists here.
    Back to the gender wage gap. The gender wage gap first and foremost fails to take into account numerous variables such as: job tenure, position, education etc. I think it is fair to say that women have different aspirations to men. You will realise that men tend to go into higher paying industries such as engineering, banking, medicine etc. And 4 out of 5 of the highest paying occupations are occupied by a majority of male employees. Now, women tend to follow careers in social care, child care, teaching etc. And, again 4 out of 5 of the lowest paying occupations are occupied by a majority of female employees.
    We must also address the fact that women are much more likely to work part-time as oppose to men. And women who do work full-time on average work 7% less hours than men do. Women are also more likely to take longer leaves of absence (due to pregnancies and bringing up their children) than men are.
    Let's not forget the fact that paying different genders a different amount for the same amount of work is illegal. Especially in the UK where it has been set up so that companies produce records of how much they pay each of their workers to avoid any penalties from discrimination.
    Let's first look at the UK. You will be surprised to hear that under the age of 35, women on average get paid more than men. And if we glance over at the US, between the ages of 45-64 men on average make $40,000 annually whereas women on average make $47,000 annually.
    Let's, for a moment, assume the gender pay gap is real. Then wouldn't it make sense for companies to only hire women as it's deemed more profitable. Why am I currently in 2 jobs at the moment when a woman can do it for a lower price? You see, it doesn't make sense, this is just one aspect of feminism but I thought I would make you aware.
     
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    That's the old "Christianity hates women" conspiracy theory mate, don't let yourself be suckered in by it..:)
    Paul torpedoed it quite nicely with this verse when he said -
    "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:28 )
    [​IMG]

    As for his other verses which you quoted, he was simply setting some ground rules in the early churches by telling a few noisy women to shut their traps and stop using the places as coffee drop-in centres for gossip..:)
    He had no beef with nice sensible women whom he paid these tributes to..:)-
    "I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a servant of the church in Cenchrea..she has been a great help to many people, including me..
    Greet Priscilla , my fellow worker in Christ Jesus, she risked her life for me.
    Greet Mary, who worked very hard for you..
    Greet Tryphena and Tryphosa and Persis, those women who work hard in the Lord.
    Greet Rufus, chosen in the Lord, and his mother, who has been a mother to me, too.
    Greet Julia.." (Romans ch 16)
     
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    Yeah, Paul had no problem with women as long as they were quiet, hard working and knew their place.
     
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    You're a funny guy..:)

    Church of England women clergy

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    Curiously, so far, feminism has not even addressed this obvious sexual prejudice against men

    And you offer not explanation either, you just use the misogynist meme.

    If men 'get away' with rape then how do you know about those supposed rapes? Also, how do you know how many falsely accused men there are? There are probably lots of cases where men just paid off a lying woman.
     
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    What?! You mean not all members of the same religion believe in the same thing? Wow, what a concept.
     
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    https://mic.com/articles/88277/23-ways-feminism-has-made-the-world-a-better-place-for-men#.j7bTzYLPv

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/03/gender-pay-gap-facts/

    Maybe the men claiming to being falsely accused are lying and have really good lawyers?
     
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    Checking out your link..."25 ways feminism has made the world a better place for men"....



    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/03/gender-pay-gap-facts/



    Feminism is a made up victim-oriented meme. Women are not equal to men and men are not equal to women. Each have their own strengths and weaknesses. Together men and women work to make society a better place and replace the population.

    With the advent of technology many jobs that were previously done by men can now be done by women. Biology interferes when women get pregnant and then realize that the human life they just birthed needs them 24/7. I can understand this causes a lot of women to leave the workforce especially if they have a husband capable of supporting a family. However, I also think that corporations should have child care facilities because, feminism has caused kids to have to be taken care of by parent surrogates.

    I think feminism gives women an alternate, overblown view of reality.
     
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    We are talking about equality under the law not whether a man can lift more than a woman or a woman can have babies. Biological differences are meaningless especially has researchers discover that most of the differences we thought were biological, are in reality, cultural based.
     
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    Hmmm equality under the law...

    Massive prison sentencing gender gap. Don't hear men complaining too much about that one.
     

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