Modern Feminism gives women an excuse to be horrible people.

Ah but they should do, therein lies the flaw. Men and women act stupid when they go out and party... doesn't mean they should be attacked or that there should be no sympathy for those who end up in undesirable situations as consequence of their partying.

Again the problem is that it's something we ALL do. So society has basically already said it's OK to go out, get drunk and flirt. I'm really not claiming that there isn't risk in doing that, only that I don't have any problem with it.

Now, if YOU have a problem with it... that's a separate issue. But in order to be equal we'd have to say 'Partying is risky, therefore men and women shouldn't party, and if they do party and bad **** happens... more fool them'.

 

Again, you have seemingly missed the point. I will attempt to spell this out for you.

Levels of risk appear with varying degrees of behavior.

If one were to go to a public place with friends, have a drink, have conversations with those friends, and go home, what is the risk there?
If one were to go to a public place alone, have a drink, talk with strangers, and then go home, what is the risk there?
If one were to go to a public place alone, have a LOT of drinks, talk with strangers, and then go home, what is the risk there?
If one were to go to a public place alone, have a LOT of drinks, dance/flirt with strangers, and then go home, what is the risk there?
If one were to go to a private house alone, have a LOT of drinks, dance/flirt with strangers, and then go home, what is the risk there?
If one were to go to a private house alone, have a LOT of drinks, dance/flirt with strangers, and then pass out on the couch, what is the risk there?

What you fail to grasp is the same thing pretty much everyone fails to grasp. RISK ASSESSMENT. The more risky your actions, the more likely something bad is to happen do you. Get it yet?

Rock climbing isn't illegal, and it's certainly acceptable in society. Do you think there's more risk involved if you were to go by yourself? What if you decided to climb with gear that hadn't been inspected in 10 years? What about no gear at all? What's the grade of the wall?

Get it yet?

If you put yourself into a stupid, risky situation and something bad happens to you, like -EITHER- of the above scenarios, it's not a guarantee something bad will happen to you, but no one would be surprised if it did either. In BOTH CASES, egregious crimes are committed. Murder, and Rape. The primary difference meant to expose the bias of small minded individuals, is that murder is final, rape is not, and everyone always defends the second scenario because they perceive women as weak and incapable of being able to handle the consequences of their own actions. This is a perfect example of how easily it is to fall into the feminist cognitive dissonance wheelhouse.

You're just another one to add to the list.

 

There's really no need to write all that.

This is barely a discussion worth having. Sure, doing risky things might diminish the sympathy one has for the consequences of those risks taken.

But I've been to clubs and parties all over the world. Wearing scant clothing, dancing sexily, flirtation and alcohol are global forms of human expression. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say clubbing is more likely to result in something negative for men, than it is for men. How many fights, shootings, stabbings occur outside clubs? -- now you ask me not to have sympathy for these people because they put themselves at risk...

That's your argument.

 

Club shootings and stabbings are extremely common in certain demographics bud. Regardless, I'm not saying don't have sympathy, what I am saying is that people need to stop making excuses for stupid. Act like an idiot, reap an idiots rewards. The worst thing to come out of Feminism is how many vile people can scream "rape" anywhere on a college campus, and ruin someone's life without due process or investigation. Personally, I think the people that do that should be held to slander laws, but whatever. Moot point. It's never going to happen. Modern Feminism is about destroying men and catapulting women ahead. It never was about equality.

 

Well you are saying we shouldn't have sympathy... that's really the basis of your little thought experiment here. And the standard for this is really quite subjective but rests upon the risks taken by going to parties and getting intoxicated. Again if that's the standard we can't get upset about what goes on every day in city streets amongst party goers. Regardless of gender if you get beaten up, raped, stabbed or shot during a night out when you were drunk and didn't have your wits about you, it's your own fault, you were asking for it, because you were stupid enough to put yourself in a vulnerable situation.

If you look at my previous posts in the thread you won't see me arguing for feminism. But I will defend the right to have a good time and yes 'take risks' in order to do so. We all take risks in order to have fun, that's life. I mean what do you do for fun? -- it's Friday night, there are innumerable clubs and bars within a 20 mile radius from me literally packed full of drunk young women in short skirts... would you rather they all stayed home and played chess or something?

 

I don't give a **** what people do, so long as it doesn't infect culture or society as a whole. Report the crime, don't expect people to pity you. Move on.

 

So presumably then you posit that partying 'infects' culture?

Or... does partying enrich culture?

What say ye?

There are places who do try and ban this kind of stuff y'know, Iran comes to mind. Tricky to go out and get drunk, wearing skimpy clothes out there without being arrested. Is that what we're aiming for? -- or is it the exact opposite? Are we aiming for a society which promotes freedom, and freedom of expression?

If so then we can't blame revellers because we can't get mad at them for doing something that we promote. What we then should aim for is a society in which free expression isn't risky...

I know what you're thinking, that's just unicorn talk. But it isn't really. Free expression in the town I grew up in is almost entirely risk free, it's probably the polar opposite to somewhere like South Africa where the culture is totally f*cked when it comes to violence and rape.

It's not driven by party goers in SA, but by a morally bankrupt section of the population.

 

You first say 51% Parents agree - then you add another 29%. Total = 80%

Aside from the fact that the above is preposterous nonsense (implying that there is no coercion in 80% of cases when in reality it is because the law is so biased - man is convinced he is screwed either way)

This leaves 20% go through the family court system. The fact that 1.5% make it to the end is also a function of bad law.

Your argument also completely ignores the fact that forcing a man to be responsible for the financial consequences of the unilateral decision of a woman to carry a pregnancy to term violates the Rule of Law and is an anathema to "equal justice under the law".

The nazi feminist movement of the past was about power and control and not equality.

 

Modern feminism wants to make men accountable for everything and women accountable for nothing. It is an anti-male scam.

 

It is mostly anti-female, I would say.

 

Lets consider a simple double standard.

Stealthing that is a man lying about using protection and then has sex is under many current definitions a rapist and can be prosecuted in court as a rapist.

A woman lies about being on protection, gets pregnant or not, is never stealthing under this new consideration and not a rapist even though she did the same lie.

Now is this fair?

I would say hardly and worse say she has a child she can then go after the man for child support and take a good share of his income after this which is fraudulent isn't it. If any business lied to get money from someone based on the lie it would be a crime. So the woman would get off for rape and criminal fraud.

I'm not saying this is good for either to do but the crime should be equal you lie about being on birth control it should be a rape if a man or woman does it that would be FAIR.

We MRA men are not sick and evil people we want proper equality in the laws and society with women being strong and independent and equal as human beings should be.

 

So are you married?

 

I realize this is a right wing message board and also quite a misogynist one also. I find people here who are typical Trumpites....he said he loves the uneducated. There are so many posts year that show total ignorance. Of course we start with "most women arent feminists" A feminist is one who believes in equal rights, nothing else that is the definition. It is insecure men like Rush Limbaugh who demeaned the women who fought for equality. I was one of those women and I met so many men like some here. Insecure. Luckily women in the women's movement ignored misogynists and look at what we have gained. Women can now take things for granted that my generation never could have

 

If Feminism is an equality movement, then shouldn't we hear feminists complaining about the sentencing gap at least as much as they do the wage gap???

The sentencing gap is over 60% and the wage gap is 22% and 60 is greater than 22-right???

When women are arrested for the same crimes as men they receive over a 60% reduced sentence, and that is after being many times less likely to even be prosecuted in the first place after they have been arrested.

Why don't feminists complain about the sentencing gap the way they do the wage gap???

 

That is not true...very often women get harsher penalties. ..like Martha Stewart and patty hearst. But even if that were true, why should women fight sentencing gap. That's not their issue. Come on you can fight it if you feel strongly about it.
Prison sentencing is an interesting topic and often unfair. A teacher here was sentenced to 48 years for inappropriate touching of some of his students. Yes he should go to prison but 48 years? And then there is the rich kid who raped a drunk girl and left her by a dumpster...and he got five months,

 

Estimating Gender Disparities in Federal Criminal Cases

Sonja B. Starr* University of Michigan Law School sbstarr@umich.edu

August 29, 2012

"This paper assesses gender disparities in federal criminal cases. It finds large gender gaps favoring women throughout the sentence length distribution (averaging over 60%)"

 

So make that your cause!
Black men get harsher penalties than white men

 

So one must fight against every single injustice in the entire world at the same time, or fight against none whatsoever?

Why don't you fight against the sentencing gap? You clearly care very much about it.

 

He repeatedly states that he wants women to do that for him.....I guess "personal responsibility"" doesn't apply to HIM.

 

I am fighting against the sentencing gap. I'm an equalitarian and civil rights activist working for gender and racial equality for everyone.

I'm working on making women as equally accountable for the consequences of their actions and choices as men are.

Feminists, on the other hand, are working to absolve women of what little accountability they do have.

It's pretty simple. Feminists only care about inequalities when they effect women. If an inequality effects men at best they don't care and at their worst they look at inequalities effecting men as victories for women.

If your movement only cares about inequalities effecting one gender then your movement is not an equality movement.

 

The feminist movement is about gender equality. NO one is responsible for fighting every fight on earth and since women's equality is met with more resistance and attacks that's what gets women's attention.


There is no proof you are doing anything for sentencing equality.....but you sure seem to hate gender equality ...

 

That's a good point. The sentencing gap between Caucasians and African Americans is only 10%, and I say only 10% because the sentencing gap between Men and Women is over 60%, and look at how much attention is given to the sentencing disparity between Caucasians and African Americans compared to the sentencing gap between men and women.

Most people, including many Feminists, don't even know about the sentencing gap between men and women.

 

If You’re right....get out there and change the sentencing gap...otherwise stop bitching.

 

This is a good opportunity for a, 'turn about test.'

Imagine if I had told Renee to "quit bitching," about some feminist trope-like, say, rape culture.

Do you think I'd get the same result as Renne?

No I wouldn't lol.

I'm too tired to find the post but Renee said something like this is a mysoginistic forum but this forum doesn't even have a, 'men's rights,' section but it does have a, 'woman's rights section,'. This forum doesn't even have a gender neutral section like, say, 'gender rights' but this forum does have a, 'woman's rights,' section.

What more do Feminists want?

I've heard of Feminists calling for the castration of all men.

Would that be enough for them?