Mom Insists Son Is 'Just A Little Kid' During Arrest For Shooting Threat

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  1. Well Bonded

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    A Volusia County mother argued with deputies who arrested her son for posting school shooting threats in a video game.

    Daytona Beach, FL – A Seabreeze High School student was arrested after he posted a school shooting threat online on a video game despite his mother protesting that he was “just a little kid” (video below).

    When deputies arrived at the home of the 15-year-old boy, he told them that he was joking when he posted the threat on Discord, a chat program, using the name “Dalton Barnhart,” the Associated Press reported.

    “But he’s just a little kid playing a video game,” she argued. “These kids say stuff like that all the time. It’s a joke to them. It’s a game. And it’s so wrong. I hate that game.”

    “There is a Florida state statute that you cannot make a written threat to cause a mass shooting,” the deputy told the woman.

    The video showed the deputy told her that the boy didn’t need video games to live, and that he was going to be facing charges for what he had posted.


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    Do you have an opinion?
     
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    Yes I do, mom claimed it is older people influencing these "children" to act out via. the games they play and online chat they involve themselves in and I believe that is just one part of the problem as to why young white males seem to be the fodder of the latest high profile mass shootings.
     
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    I am a white male and I have been playing FPS since the early 90's and I have never postulated a mass shooting IRL.

    Video games as the culprit/scapegoat has been thoroughly debunked.

    https://www.gamesindustry.biz/artic...reased-aggression-in-teens-new-research-finds
     
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    This mother, and parents like her, are as much a part of the problem as "video games". Her denial of the problem and her insistence that he's "just a kid" and her attempts to use video games as a scapegoat ---- all of that is enabling and teaching him actions don't have consequences.

    Hopefully this will be eye opening to other parents like her. (And to any kids who think this kind of thing is a "joke".)

    As an aside, I also find it funny how on one hand there are people who want the voting age lowered to 16, and on the other hand anyone under 18 is suddenly "just a kid!!!" as soon as they've done something wrong and they're being held accountable.
     
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    1. We're going overboard with the school shooting paranoia.

    2. Kids playing murderous online video games say murderous things while playing those murderous games. That's why I'm against these types of video games. We need to go after their lobbyists like the left wants to go after the NRA - I'm serious about that.

    3. I doubt the kid is a threat and I'm sure everyone here agrees with me

    4. How come they arrested this kid but not the people who want to blow up the White House or call for the assassination of Trump? Being celebs they just get a friendly visit from the SS and nothing more.

    5. As it stands right now, this kid is a victim of the times. Society, in it's growing paranoia, turned him into a victim.

    6. Not that agree or disagree with the law, but this is one of those civil liberties that's being taken away which the left just yesterday said isn't happening.

    7. The kid didn't need to be arrested, a shrink should have accompanied the cops and it would have been over in 30 minutes.

    8. If there's a possible sign that a person might or could be capable of being a murderer, then I'd say the odds are that a guy from El Salvador with MS13 face tattoos is more likely to be a potential future murderer than this kid. Like I said, paranoia - people are afraid of the wrong things.
     
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    Not only do I disagree, I strongly disagree. Video games might not turn every kid into a raging murderer, I'd say the odds of a kid being one is around 99.99999999% that it will never happen to a particular kid. But of the tens of millions of kids playing these games, isn't it possible that one or two of them might go nuts? That's all it will take, just one or two kids. People have committed suicide over Facebook bullying, and if you play the video games my son plays you'd know the bullying can be pretty bad and emotions can get pretty extreme. There are times when I'm seriously worried about my kid when he plays those games.

    The odds of this particular kid being a school shooter is practically zero. But I would imagine there's a kid or two out there who will do something stupidly violent because of those games, maybe not shoot up a school, it just might be getting into a fight with someone or something worse than that but less than murder. Either way, the kid typed something which appears to have spooked people, no one has been shot and no one is dead. Right now this is not a job for the police, it's a job for shrinks and finding out what this kid is all about. And if his mother took away his violent games, then I'm all for it.

    I'm against this kid's arrest.
     
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    I fully agree and history backs up my statements going forward.

    When her innocent child steals her firearm or another and shoots up his school, she will with tears pouring down her cheeks deny her son meant to do it and blame videogames and social media, once those video clips are grabbed edited and prepared for broadcast, media will blame the firearm, after which the anti-gunners will using dead bodies call for more "common sense gun controls."

    Program, brainwash and repeat is the name of the game.

    What I find that is quite telling is when I was in my late teens (18), I could buy a beer and swig it down while driving, there where no laws in Florida prohibiting drinking and driving, nor was it illegal to have an open container in a vehicle.

    Well over the years drunk driving became a serious killer, a organization called Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD) was formed and they correctly addressed the problem, they didn't call for banning vehicles to prevent the problem, they addressed the actual problem, people who misused alcohol.

    That is a total contrast of the anti-gunners, who latch on every shooting and while standing on the deaths of those killed to promote banning the machine, while never addressing the root cause of the problem, that being those who misuse firearms.

    They really don't care about firearm deaths, but they have no problem promoting their case using them.

    And folks that method of destroying a Right is very sick, but the anti's by using death to promote a cause are as well.
     
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    Those kids were going to go nuts regardless of what video games they played.

    People seem to think that mental illness is something new to the human experience. It isn't.
     
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    Yeah, the kids were probably nuts to begin with, but hear me out on this. Let's say in order to be an impulsive mass shooter a person has to be, on a scale of 1 to 10, a 10 on the nut job scale. Most people probably reside below 5, so if a video game gets them all worked up they might move to a six and throw their beer across the room. What if a person normally resides at a 9.5 and then gets all worked up, bullied and humiliated on those video games? I'm not saying it will happen to every kid, but like I said earlier, with tens of millions of kids playing those games some of them have to be close to the edge and in order to make headlines it will just take one of them.

    Remember that game Dungeons and Dragons and how there seemed to be murder story every two or three months with that game being what drove it? Also, like I said earlier, people have committed suicide over Facebook taunts and bullying.

    I firmly believe most people won't go on a murdering spree because of a video game, but I do believe violent video games and the banter between the players can cause a person near the red line to go over it.
     
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    Maybe, but my point is that there always has been, and always be, triggers to those prone to being triggered. If you're going to blame video games as that trigger, then you might as well blame the entire internet as a whole. And that's not going away anytime soon.

    I'd like to live in a society that is attune enough to identify those individuals who may be prone to homicidal thoughts, reduce or eliminate their access to guns, and offer mental health treatment free of charge.

    We do not now live in that society.
     
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    “But he’s just a little kid playing a video game,” she argued. “These kids say stuff like that all the time. It’s a joke to them. It’s a game. And it’s so wrong. I hate that game.”

    Then why are you allowing your 15 year old to play that game parent? I remember when I was a teenager I wanted to watch some shows that my father wouldn't approve. When I complained his response was "Get your own house then and you can watch whatever you want". You know, the parenting thing.

    Now granted I don't necessarily buy the whole notion of violent video games making kids violent. And in the teens defense he is correct, anybody who has ever played a mere 10 mins of online FPS knows full well what goes on there. Kids screaming and using foul and racist language and threatening to find you and beat your face in and all that nonsense. It's just the online community and how it is in games like that.

    I understand the police response, especially with the current events going on in society right now, but if they are going to start showing up and folks door for threatening to kill people online then they might as well grab the IP addresses of 90% of Call of Duty players and arrest them all right now. The teen was right, pretty much everybody actually does talk like that in multiplayer FPS chat....
     
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    Watched the video posted.

    I can't help but wonder if things would have been different had there been a dad in the home.
     
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    If that dad was a right wing conspiracy theory gun nut? Probably nothing.
     
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    One of the common factors in these mass shooters and in gang violence is they don't have a father in the home. That is a factor that increases antisocial behavior-its even seen in other mammals.

    Although its been years since I played online games what I remember is the number of kids who clearly didn't listen to their parents while playing-and their mothers screaming in the background as they played.

     
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    Fine. Blame it all on fatherless online game players if it lets you sleep better.
     
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    Not blaming it on the fatherless online game players or the video game.

    But it is a source of increased aggression and antisocial behavior.
     
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    Sorry but damn that. While I can sympathize yet obviously not relate to the struggles of being a single mother, the mother is still the parent. Kick the little knucklehead off of the computer and toss it in the dumpster. If you need a computer for school work then go to the school library.

    Parents need to control their children. Times really have changed. If I even so much as dreamed of talking to my parents like that then I felt like I had to immediately wake up and go apologize. Talk to them like that in real life? I saw my smart mouthed sister do that ONCE and that was enough to make me believe it wise to complain in silence.
     
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    Prove it.
     
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    What Madonna said was far worse.

    Unfortunately saying it as a 15 year old in a private video games is taken more seriously than saying it on stage as a celebrity in front of millions.
     
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    Parents aren't there to raise their children these days.

    "Controlling" them just means being a meanie when all those kids need is a friend.

    These kids (its not just boys, who are more physical, its also girls who verbally spar especially with their mothers) don't have the parental structure they need.

    In just a few decades, Americans have forgotten the family structure, and seem unaware of what the benefits of that were.
     
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    I believe that is a huge part of it and the part that many folks don't like to hear because this is the "New America" and the old "traditional America" is bad.

    I believe many of society's problems stem from the deterioration of traditional family. Out of all of the girls who went to high school with me that I personally know as friends every single one of them has children and every single one of them is a single mother. Every single one. Call me old fashioned or whatever but I believe that is a problem.

    Folks can say whatever they want, we are moving forward, this is how the world is now, this is better, this is progress, etc. But I still believe that the traditional family is the best way to raise a family. I'm not saying it's the only way and that single parents are bad or anything, but I think the traditional family structure that is so shunned in todays times is healthy for society.

    Children need to be raised, not befriended by parents. Discipline and manners need to be instilled. Even little things like not having 8 year old kids call adults by their first names that I see so often nowadays. No child his name isn't so and so, it's MR so and so, you're 8 you don't call grown ups by their first name....Parent's, do your job. I have no idea if the decline of the traditional family has any bearing whatsoever on this seemingly more volatile youth of today, or if they even are more volatile or if it's just the fact that we have cameras all over the place to see this stuff more. But I will say that growing up I NEVER saw any child speak to their parents even remotely similar to anything I see today on a regular basis. And well, we had guns back then too and I also didn't see malls getting shot up on a routine basis either.

    I'm not implying anything because I honestly have no idea. But yeah times have seriously changed, society itself has changed and there is no telling what particular change we can attribute to violence but it sure as hell is something because I don't care what anybody says or how they try to spin it, no we sure as hell did not have this problem back in my day.
     
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    I think we should take a more holistic approach than JUST guns. Getting rid of their access to guns is great and all, but you're still left with thia deranged individual.

    Just look at the Nice van attack - killed 40% more people than the deadliest mass shooting in US history.

    All he needed was a drivers license and $200 for van hire.
     

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