Mom sentenced to life in prison for feeding baby vegan diet

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  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    FoxHastings said:
    Ya, starving a child to death is a crime, child abuse and murder.

    The government CAN tell you you have to feed your children...

    Funny how this woman was under the radar....but she probably never took her kids to a doctor..

    Why didn't "daddy" figure it out and report her?


    LOL, BTW, did ya see how the OP tried to slyly insert something totally unrelated into this, abortion....when it has nothing to do with abortion (except maybe to prove how these kids would've been better off aborted rather than tortured to death)

    What TF does getting pregnant have to do with the topic...........and , no, getting drunk while pregnant is not a crime....what a weird idea..
     
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    Forty-three states have policies targeting pregnant women who drink. Researchers say they’re backfiring.
    https://www.vox.com/2019/5/8/18535399/pregnancy-drinking-during-alcohol-drugs-moms-mothers


    They may be backfiring according to ultra lib Vox, but that’s not the point. In 43 states if you drink while pregnant you can get in trouble.
     
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    what a dumb ****. that infuriates me.

    I sincerly hope that the sounds of her starving baby haunt her for the rest of her miserable days.
     
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  4. Bowerbird

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    Because they discourage women from seeking prenatal care” well “duh!” This has been shown over and over and over again. It even discourages non alcoholics as there is no “sajpfe limit” and the majority of harm comes in the first trimester often before a woman knows shw is pregnant
     
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  5. FoxHastings

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    FoxHastings said:
    Ya, starving a child to death is a crime, child abuse and murder.

    The government CAN tell you you have to feed your children...

    Funny how this woman was under the radar....but she probably never took her kids to a doctor..

    Why didn't "daddy" figure it out and report her?


    LOL, BTW, did ya see how the OP tried to slyly insert something totally unrelated into this, abortion....when it has nothing to do with abortion (except maybe to prove how these kids would've been better off aborted rather than tortured to death)




    From YOUR link:
    """These policies were supposed to stop pregnant women from drinking. A new study says they’re hurting babies.""


    IF you could NOT address my post why did you have to go off topic? Why not ignore my post if you couldn't address it....the topic is NOT drinking while pregnant.
     
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    Like I wrote, the claim by ultra liberal Vox is that these regulations are "hurting babies".

    Thats not the point.

    The point is that you said there was no state/legal issues if a woman got drunk while pregnant. Turns out you are wrong, 43 states have laws/regulations related to prgnant women drinking alcohol.
     
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    I don't think "vegan diet" is really the issue so much as incompetence and neglect. I suppose it's true that feeding would be more challenging while trying to be vegan. Many parents struggle to get their toddler to eat anything besides mac and cheese, but vegans children aren't dying regularly as far as I've heard. Our kids certainly will go on a hunger strike before they eat a healthy meal. And we're clearly not talking about a baby either. Starving over 18 months? That's not a baby.

    Abortion? We're talking about somebody born over 18 months ago. Early fetuses and before have no mind and feel no pain... so it's not similar at all.

    Nice try turning the incompetence and tragedy of one family into pseudo-evidence for, something.
     
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  8. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Many on the Progressive Left don't want to see or accept. It's like connections in your brain just fail to form.

    How many parents try to feed their baby a vegan diet?
    I'm not talking about just children, I'm talking about a baby, who should really be started on solid foods but the mother is only giving him raw vegan stuff.

    Sure, if you want, I won't disagree with you, but now we're just going into semantics. 18 months is a critical time period. That infant/toddler needs real food, and just raw vegan stuff is not going to suffice.
     
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  9. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ignorance must be such bliss for your kind.
     
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    I do not trust the government to decide the best diet for us though.... look at the food pyramid
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In this case, the government decided that the diet was bad, and the mom is being punished with life in prison.
     
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    yep, what if they decide your diet is bad.. that is my point
     
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  13. kazenatsu

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    If a child dies and they decide the diet was very bad, and assume it probably was the cause of the death, then the parent will get punished.

    I see and understand the slippery slope argument you are trying to make.

    But surely you agree that it's not okay for a parent to just feed their child just all carrots, or only candy, for example. That is child abuse, and the parent should be punished. Or a child who wastes away because the parents only feed them scraps and they don't get enough to eat.
     
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    so if a child dies and they were not eating the standard American diet, they should be arrested?

    lot of room for abuse by the government

    oh, I agree the vegan diet is bad for ones health, especially a child - should we areast all vegans that feed their child this diet for child abuse?
     
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  15. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't see you disagreeing with the outcome of this individual case.
     
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    Good, lock her up for life. She killed one baby and shouldn't be given the chance to kill another. That the child died, slowly, on a vegan diet is tragic.

    But, she will probably get pregnant again by a male guard or transexual prisoner. It gets awful lonely and boring spending a lifetime in prison.

    But, does it have to be a lifetime, though? That's like a fate worse than death. :(
     
  17. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So in other words you admit that feeding a small child a raw vegan diet constitutes "starving the child to death"?

    FoxHastings, maybe you do not understand the story. This mother did not withhold food from her child. It was the type of food that was the issue.
     
  18. kazenatsu

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    Is tubal ligation an option for child abuse cases?
     
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    No. At least not today.

    We used to sterilize women when we had a eugenics streak, before Nazi Germany shamed us into giving it up, or so I'm told.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hmm. So life in prison is okay, but sterilizing her is too reminiscent of the Nazis?

    I'm not sure if that really seems to be actually logical.
     
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    Of course it's not logical! Whoever said it was?

    This is a feel good exercise because it makes us feel better about ourselves.

    Personally, I wouldn't have given her life in prison either, because I've been involuntary admitted to a psychic ward before and I know that forced detention is awful.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Ya, starving a child to death is a crime, child abuse and murder.



    NO, as I stated ""starving a child to death is a crime, child abuse and murder."


    NOT PROVIDING ENOUGH NOURISHMENT IS STARVING A CHILD.

    YOU do NOT understand that not giving the child enough nourishment KILLED the child...
     
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    The baby did not get enough nourishment because it could not handle and fully digest the raw vegan food.

    Most likely the child did get enough food and the food may likely have contained plenty of adequate nutrients. The child just couldn't process and absorb them. Babies are very sensitive and can't fully digest many things like adults can.

    vegan food typically consists of things like carrots or broccoli -- things commonly regarded as "healthy" for adults.
     
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    Yes, for ADULTS... babies eat BABY food for a reason...
    (I realize Anti-Choicers use words like baby, adult, fetus, embryo, toddler, and teenager interchangeably but there is a difference...)

    From YOUR OP : Allegedly the baby was not thriving on the raw vegan diet, was wasting away and losing weight, but the mother still persisted until finally the baby died.

    Vegan Mom Sentenced to Life in Prison After 18-Month-Old Baby Dies From 'Severe Malnutrition' (thegatewaypundit.com), August 30, 2022, Cassandra Fairbanks

    As additional circumstantial evidence against the woman, of the woman's other three children, two were in such poor health condition, their skin was yellow in coloration and one had such poor dental hygiene that their teeth were black. The remaining child, an 11-year-old and the oldest of the four, was in better health condition, presumably because she spent time with her father in Virginia where she was fed a proper diet.""



    Why are YOU DEFENDING a woman who actually killed a BABY ????
     
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    Because you're trying to just write this off, say she is obviously guilty, and refuse to see the analogies in this story to the abortion issue.


    (Would you say, for example, that if a pregnant woman does not eat right and get the right nutrients and avoid unhealthy things, that she may be putting her fetus in danger?)
     
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