A poster here always likes to blame Momentum for anything horrid he can think of not least antisemitism. The reality is that the Leader of Momentum, John Lansman has always appeared to fall on the opposite side - and left wing Jews stand behind labour and generally say they have never or very rarely experienced any antisemitism in the Labour Party. That is what some people fail to get. This is a political issue not a racist one. So I have been a bit curious about where Lansman actually stands. I really don't know much about Momentum except when I have heard it mentioned with others. Now the first I heard that all might not be right with Momentum was when Tony Greenstein said that Lansman was taking away democracy from it - I think he left at that point. The second time I heard about it was when he supported removing Jackie Walker from the position of Vice Leader due to the claims she was antisemetic - a thesis in itself for anyone who does not know about all that. Lansman is Jewish. Tony Grenstein is Jewish Jackie Walker is Jewish. I also heard that Lansman seemed to be on the same page as one of the Top people in the Jewish Labour Movement who were exploiting antisemitism due to the left of labour's position on Israel. Then and this is a crucial one. Although Corbyn was supported by 40 Jewish Groups across the world to say no to the IHRA definition of antisemitism and all the additives making criticism of Israel impossible and all Palestinians antisemites, it was Lansman who contacted Corbyn and told him he had to sign it and it was I am told on that that Corbyn signed it a signing which a whole lot of people thought extremely stupid. Lansman has also claimed that there is a lot of antisemitism in Labour and in that I think unique among any who suggest they are on the left of Labour and now he has come up with his latest cont'd https://www.thecanary.co/uk/analysi...ng-jews-are-not-part-of-the-jewish-community/ Frankly for some time I have been wondering if he is not a stoodge.
I am unsure which thread to put this in what with the claims in the Boris Domestic that noone should speak about Johnson's racism due to the racism in Momentum and my thinking that was not the place to discuss Momentum, I will put this here. Ir goes with the OP as I found it on Jewish Voice for Labour - see above This is about research done into the claims of rampant antisemitism among the left. I will just give a taste and people can look at the full report if the like. The research is by and is dated May of this year.and called Labour Antisemitism and the News A disinformation Paradigm continued at Jewish Voice for Labour
Sorry ... do I understnad it correctly? The founder of Momentun is a Jew and he is accused to be antisemitic?
ROFL ..... What kind of morons are this please? Probably of the same kind that insult Netanyahu as being a Nazi and SS member and the pope as being in reality a Muslim?
(I think you may have added a bit while I was writing?) Well to be honest I do not know how much people in general say Momentum is antisemetic. It is simply one poster here who is forever saying it. However I find it most crazy that anyone would suggest this when Lansman is arguably one of the people involved in supporting false charges of antisemitism and was the person responsible for getting Corbyn to accept a definition of antisemitism which makes genuine criticism of Israel largely impossible. He himself does appear to be more on the wavelength of the person who repeatedly accuses him and Momentum of being antisemetic. Then you have Jackie Walker who was suspended for being antisemetic twice. She is a black Jew. She was Vice Leader of Momentum. So Momentum was founded by a Jew and began with him as leader and another Jew as Vice Leader. However then there began the McCartheyite search for antisemites. This was begun by a fellow calling himself Guido Fawkes real name Paul Staines. He took to searching through old social media to find anything he could find to accuse anyone of antisemitism. People found themselves being suspended for all manner of things. One was due to telling someone about a film she had seen. It was a film about Nazis. The person describing it was suspended as they claimed it was their view. You get the level this was at. Now Jackie Walker, a woman who had spent a great deal of her life working on racism got suspended for speaking about the role of Portuguese Jews in the slave Trade. She thought she was having a private conversation with a friend. She herself is descended from a Portuguese Jew and an African. She was speaking about their involvement in the slave trade and how that put her in both camps. Suggesting Jews could have been involved in the slave trade got her suspended from Labour it being believed that only an antisemetic could say such a thing. In reality what she said was true and she was soon reinstated. However she is a left wing Jew and exceedingly critical of Israel and clearly particularly with her own expertise into what racism is was noticing the mass suspension/ claiming of people being antisemetic who did not appear antisemetic at all. Basically what had happened after Corbyn was elected Leader of the Labour Party was a counter attack by the right wing pro Israel Blairites of the Labour Party eager to get rid of Corbyn and his supporters firstly because they did not want Labour to return to Social Democracy and secondly the fear all pro Israelis had that the UK under Corbyn would demand the Palestinians be treated like all other human beings and given rights. They brought back from history an old Labour Group called the Jewish Labour Movement and they put as Director of this a woman whose previous job was working in the Israeli Embassy on how to stop Israel being deligitimised. To try and cut things short they were trying to introduce the heaviest versions of antisemitism possible - way beyond what anyone thought was antisemitism and including in it criticism of Israel. After Jackie had been reinstated she and others were fighting against this. There was a meeting of both sides which was supposed to be a meeting where they could say anything without fear it would be said again and which was not recorded. What they did was record it against agreement, take some of what Jackie said, snipped it out of context and gave it to the media. On that she again was suspended from the Labour Party for antisemitism. They eventually expelled her from the Labour Party this year but not for antisemitism https://skwawkbox.org/2019/03/27/jackie-walker-expelled-from-labour-party/ Please note she was not found guilty of antisemitsm but she was got rid of. The other man I mentiioned Tony Greenstein himself a Jew was also suspended from the Labour Party for antisemitism. He made it clear he would take them to court. They did expel him but dropped the charge of antisemitism and expelled him for being a pain in the ass or something......yet to the public all this is Labour not doing enough about antisemitism. Basically it is an attack on our democracy and sovereignty as the AlJazeera documentaries made clear. P.S. Guido Fawkes, Paul Stanes was involved in the publicity in getting Labour to change from its social democratic position to New Labour.
The Labour Party is trying to project the image of being anti Zionist and pro Jewish. Unfortunately, since much of its membership are £3 a year weenie boppers who think that the Holocaust is a pop group, the public believe the former and suspect that the latter will still end up with Wurzel and the Semtex Kid suggesting the abolition of VAT on Zyklon B.
Momentum are a cancer to the UK Labour Party. They don't care what party someone is; Labour, Conservative, they use harassment, bullying and threats to unseat sitting politicians. Basically, they belong in Nazi Germany but are decades too late. https://www.express.co.uk/comment/e...-conference-anti-semitism-run-by-thugs-bigots
