MOON LANDINGS 'FAKE': Shock video shows 'Stanley Kubrick' admit historic event was 'H

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  1. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you like my new signature Scott? :cool:
     
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    I don't see how anyone can say that with a straight face after having seen this video.

    Initial Apollo 15 Flag Movement
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW9qcL4LiUg


    My goal isn't to make you admit anything. I know you'll never do that. If I post anomalies that are simply too clear to obfuscate, you'll have to say some pretty lame things to maintain your position. That's all I expect to accomplish.

    If what you're saying is lame, it doesn't matter if you admit it's hoax proof or not; the viewers won't be taken in.


    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=362999&page=2&p=1064028979#post1064028979
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=403884&page=2&p=1064900819#post1064900819


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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn6MTrin5eU
    (2:35 time mark)
     
  3. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    You do not even understand what obfuscating means as it you consistently doing so.

    You have no evidence. Eviden proves you wrong and you never address it. You only link to your earlier assertions which link to previous assertions which link to videos which have been proven wrong.

    You keep claiming anomolies which do not actually exist. Yet you still ignore the fact that even anomolies prove NOTHING.

    You have never answered questions or addressed them but claim you have.

    No one watching your videos reaches the same conclusion.

    In the end you DESPERATELY believe the landings were fake. But it is strictly a belief for which you have no evidence whatsoever.
     
  4. Betamax101

    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    There are 3 different videos showing quite clearly that the astronaut was clearly close enough to move it with his arm. Just because your blinkered brain stops you from seeing these as two events doesn't make that go away! You cannot comprehend that two instances can be from separate causes, it confuses your poor mind.

    Hogwash. You must have some financial incentive to keep doing this idiocy for nearly a decade.

    What viewers? I've seen your wall of spam posted on 50 forums, all you get is laughter and ridicule. There is a small group of sad individuals who think the missions were hoaxed. You seem to think you are actually making a difference.

    [video=youtube;LYLwKqPn-YU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYLwKqPn-YU[/video]
     
  5. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    "The only thing that is necessary for evil to triumph is for men of good will to do nothing."
    -- Edmund Burke

    "Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could only do a little."
    -- Edmund Burke


    You know as well as I do that those posters are disinfo agents who know the moon missions were faked as well as the hoax-believers do.

    http://ombudsmanwatchers.org.uk/articles/twenty_five_ways.html
    http://cultureofawareness.com/2012/...-confessions-of-a-paid-disinformation-poster/


    There is a lot of serious stuff going on these days.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=351109&page=12&p=1065652592#post1065652592
    http://www.politicalforum.com/history-past-politicians/371897-american-imperialism.html


    A lot of Americans are so indocrinated that they simply can't be objective about these issues.

    Why Can't They See The Truth? Psychologists Help 9 11 Truth Deniers
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xzmprkpxac


    If they see the clear proof that the moon missions were faked, a lot of them will wake up the fact that the US government tells gigantic lies and they will be more open to the idea that their government is doing evil things in the world. That's the main reason I start threads on the Apollo hoax. Anyone who takes the time to read them can see that I debate until the discussion runs its course or the thread gets closed or I get banned. I don't just post and run.

    There's an information war going on right now. The moon hoax proof can't get into the mainstream; if it does, it's just the most-easily-obfuscated anomalies that do. When Neil Armstrong passed away, I tried to post a link to the hoax proof in the comment sections of the articles that appeared in several news sites. As I knew would happen, the posts didn't appear. The only posts that appeared were celebratory. As there's a big news blackout on the Apollo hoax proof, the only way to get the info out is to post it on the internet. Disinfo agents have co-opted the word "Spam" to describe any truther info. Spam is unwanted advertising. There's nothing spam-like about truther info and mass posting it is the only way to get around the news blackout so this is a very legitimate activity.


    Lots of people spend three or four hours per day watching drivel on American TV so there are worse things that I could be doing. This is kind of a hobby for me and I enjoy doing it.
     
  6. Betamax101

    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    So let me get this straight. Your spamming history, where you systematically drop your bullcrap all over the internet on forums for flower arranging and ballet dancing or some other ludicrous irrelevant subject matter, is somehow you being a man of good will helping the world? Truly you are the ultimate comedian.

    You know as well as I do that nobody believes your ramblings. Man landed successfully on the Moon six times. Do not dare to suggest that people who know this have the same stupid belief as you claim.

    Hogwash.

    There is no proof of a hoax, only ignorant claims from ignorant fools. You do nothing but post and run. I have hundreds of unanswered posts from you. You don't answer as a truther would, you just make moronic claims or spam your links.

    Explain with citations how air moves something a few feet in front of it. Explain properly how the wind tunnel doesn't explain exactly how air movement works.

    Get a life.
     
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    Next thing you know, he will be claiming Abraham Lincoln turned into a black man in the casket....
     
  8. Betamax101

    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    Explain with citations how air moves something a few feet in front of it. Explain properly how the wind tunnel doesn't explain exactly how air movement works.

    I know for a fact that you will run away yet again and dodge the questions.
     
  9. Scott

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    I've already dealt with this. Width is a factor. If this video hasn't been doctored, it shows the distance at which a wall of air will arrive to the flag. It first makes contact with the center of the flag.

    Initial Apollo 15 Flag Movement
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW9qcL4LiUg

    A thin object going at the same speed won't create that wall of air but a wide object will.


    You're still trying to divert attention away from the closer movement which is the movement that really matters.

    The flag that moved
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0


    The first video shows that the flag had started moving before he got close enough to touch it. The second movement which can be seen in both videos shows the corner of the flag moving without having been touched. The second movement proves they were in air; that's why you're concentrating on the first movement. Anyone can duplicate the second flag movement by hanging a paper towel from a coat hanger and passing a doll by it at a forty five degree angle and see that the towel will first move away from and then back towards the doll. The same can be done on a larger scale by hanging a light piece of cloth from a ceiling light and trotting by it.

    This is such a clear anomaly that you'll never succeed in obfuscating it. As I keep saying, there's a point at which things are so clear that sophistry becomes ineffective.


    I guess you're not going to answer my question about 9/11 as you'd rather steer clear of issues that are too clear to obfuscate.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=362999&page=2&p=1064028979#post1064028979
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=403884&page=2&p=1064900819#post1064900819
     
  10. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    how do we know the Moon even exists?
     
  11. Betamax101

    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    That is truly one of the most ignorant claims I've seen from you. You are now claiming that a big wide object such as a car pushes a wall of air, when it provably does not, whilst conversely contradicting your own argument that a smaller astronaut will definitely not.

    How are you not smart enough to see this? Kindergartens are full of children that would take one look at a wind tunnel and see how air behaves, yet here you are obsessional, delusional and still spamming the same claims and videos over and over. 911 is off topic by some enormous degree and you just want to use it as another moronic yard stick to avoid answering questions raised of you. You ignore the entire written rebuttal of Windley based on your fleeting and idiotic viewpoints that contradict him.

    Now answer my questions properly "truth seeker":-


    Explain with citations how air moves something a few feet in front of it. Explain properly how the wind tunnel doesn't explain exactly how air movement works.
     
  12. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    Ok. Let's go over Jay Windley* again.

    I'm FatFreddy here.
    http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216531&page=204

    I couldn't get Jay Windley to even address the issue of the flag because he knew it was too clear to obfuscate. He had to choose between trying to obfuscate the anomaly and refusing to address it; he chose the lesser of the two evils but his refusal to address it is pretty telling.

    Jay Windley tap danced around the issue of the Chinese spacewalk because there was somebody there asking real questions.
    http://cosmoquest.org/forum/showthread.php?87594-Chinese-space-walk-conspiracy/page2&

    He would have looked silly trying to obfuscate those clear anomalies.

    Here's some more stuff about the Clavius site and Jay Windley.
    http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1059062077&postcount=5
    http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1059062166&postcount=8


    You're trying to muddy the waters by comparing scenarios that don't match the exact conditions of the Apollo flag movement. Anyone who does an experiment with a piece of cloth or paper towel that matches the conditions will get the same movement as the Apollo flag as I mentioned in my last post.


    The Black Knight will return.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4


    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=362999&page=2&p=1064028979#post1064028979
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=403884&page=2&p=1064900819#post1064900819


    *http://www.clavius.org/about.html
     
  13. AboveAlpha

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    Uhhhgg!

    Is this debate still going on??

    All one needs to do is talk to or read about what the Soviet Cosmonauts said and did when the U.S. landed on the moon.

    The Lunar Landing was not broadcast in the Soviet Union but the Cosmonauts were allowed to watch it and they all cheered when Armstrong first step foot on the Moon.


    AboveAlpha
     
  14. Betamax101

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    No. We are not going over your moronic encounters with an expert and highly educated man. You blatantly ignore his entire rebuttal at Clavius and not just because he refuses to respond to your obsessive spam. You have made a large number of libellous accusations about him whilst cowardly remaining anonymous. Anyone who has taken time to respond to you will see quite clearly that you are incapable of changing your ridiculous and delusional opinions on anything. To claim somebody refusing to engage with your petty and repetitive antics is because they are unable to, rather than it being totally futile, is just plain stupid.

    You are a liar. He refused to engage with you until you retracted the libellous claims and apologised. There is nothing "too clear to obfuscate". Only a total moron is unable to see that air could not possibly move a flag even 1 foot away, let alone 4-6 feet!

    No he did not.

    No he would not. There are no anomalies in the Chinese spacewalk. Only a complete moron could think a flag could spin that way unrestricted in water. In fact, only a moron would claim the spacewalk was faked and be unable to see simple explanations for their idiotic observations.

    You are a liar. Put the video up of this. You make the claim and never prove it and nobody in the hoax believing community has ever done this. Jarrah White tried to do this with a flag. He managed to show a flag that billowed, stopped very quickly and only started moving when he was inches away and level with it. You are just too entrenched in your stupid claim to even watch my video showing this. He also tried to disprove ground vibration by jumping next to a wide bed supported on 4 legs in Earth gravity close to a bedsheet. The sheet did not move whatsoever, disproving the "wall of air" bullcrap. Your inability to directly address this says it all, and you have the audacity to claim your opponents are the Black Knight?

    MEH!
     
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    I wonder what Scott would say and think if he knew that American X-15 Pilots had entered space back in perhaps 1959.

    It was so highly classified that NASA did not even give the X-15 Pilots their Astronaut Wings until after the turn of the Millennium many posthumously.

    AboveAlpha
     
  16. Scott

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    Anyone who actually reads the info will see that they're not moronic encounters. I exposed his sophistry. I never said he wasn't highly educated. Lots of professional sophists who work for the government are highly educated. That's why they're such good sophists.

    There's a point at which things are so clear that sophistry becomes ineffective though. You two can jump up and down and scream that the Chinese spacewalk was real all you want; nobody who takes the time to look at the anomalies will be taken in.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=362999&page=2&p=1064028979#post1064028979


    Viewers: Check out the dust-free sand issue.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=403884&page=2&p=1064900819#post1064900819

    Jay Windley really showed himself to be a sophist on that one. He tried to obfuscate something that's simply too clear to obfuscate and Betamax agreed with his analysis.
     
  17. Betamax101

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    You keep making these blanket statements about "viewers" and "everyone", when in reality nobody at all agrees with you. Windley was quite correct in al his dealings with you. You are ignorant in every single one of the fields that he is expert in. You are a useless sophist. You bring no expertise at all to any debate and run away from all direct questions. You make bullcrap claims about me being a "known shill" MEH!! and Windley being a professional government worker when you have zero evidence and just your own dumb inept opinion.

    A spam statement and the referral to the people who never agree with you. Anyone with even a low IQ can see that a piece of fabric or "rubber"(as you claim!) will not move unrestricted in water, no matter what speed it is twisted. It takes a truly deluded person not to be able to see this. There's a point where things are so clear that even known spammers can see things. You know full well that Apollo was not a hoax and neither was the Chinese spacewalk. You know this.

    You just troll the internet for some sort of perverse entertainment.

    What viewers do you think will agree with you? Anybody? Did you ask the geologists what they think of idiots who think the samples were faked? They all say quite unequivocally that they are not and that anybody who thinks they are is just ignorant. You won't answer that point. Indeed, you rely on the most idiotic of people to bolster your "plausible" crap claims.

    Now you useless spammer, who "never runs away" and is a "truth seeker":-

    Explain with citations how air moves something a few feet in front of it. Explain properly how the wind tunnel doesn't explain exactly how air movement works.
     
  18. Scott

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    This guy knows that all of the above has been addressed in past posts in this thread. Read my posts a few pages back to see my responses to the above issues.

    This guy also keeps trying to draw attention away from the close flag movement which is the real proof by concentrating on the faraway movement.

    (post #18)
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=362999&page=2&p=1064030792#post1064030792

    This just keeps going back and forth; I keep pointing out that the second movement is the most important one and he keeps playing this down and concentrating on the first faraway movement.

    He also keeps ignoring the other anomalous flag movements.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=436449&page=13&p=1065670715#post1065670715

    He's all rhetoric and no substance. He's trying to sway those viewer who don't click on the links and view the anomalies with his rhetoric. That's about all he can do now.
     
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    You are a liar. You have never addressed any of that. You are the master of copy and paste spam. Copy and paste the exact responses right here now!

    Explain with citations how air moves something a few feet in front of it. Explain properly how the wind tunnel doesn't explain exactly how air movement works
    .

    More lies. This has been covered twenty times. The questions above have you cornered and you know it. You have derailed this Kubrick thread with spam about Apollo 15 and Chinese spacewalks.

    That is an astonishing lie. Your obsession has always been with the movement before he arrived, now you claim it is after he has hit it with his elbow?

    Another lie. The swaying motion was addressed as a complex pendulum that you completely ignored. The decayed flag would still have strands of fabric that would cast a shadow. Apollo 17 is addressed on my blog and many times in rebuttal to your spam. Always ignored.

    http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/apollo-15-flag.html
    http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/apollo-17-flag.html

    Answer the questions properly spammer.
     
  20. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    (from post #134)
    I give my rebuttal to what you say about the wind tunnel, etc and you just reiterate. You're supposed to give a counter-rebuttal, not a reiteration.


    I distictly said that he hadn't hit it with is elbow. I guess I'll have to post this again.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=362999&page=2&p=1064030792#post1064030792
     
  21. Betamax101

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    That isn't rebuttal, it is nonsense physics. Here is my request(s) again:-

    Explain with citations how air moves something a few feet in front of it. Explain properly how the wind tunnel doesn't explain exactly how air movement works.

    Where is the citation to backup that hogwash? Where is the response to how a wind tunnel doesn't explain this whole thing. You are hopelessly out of your depth with nothing to reply with. As for your claim that I am supposed to respond to it, you are deliberately avoiding my reply where I said this:-

    That is truly one of the most ignorant claims I've seen from you. You are now claiming that a big wide object such as a car pushes a wall of air, when it provably does not, whilst conversely contradicting your own argument that a smaller astronaut will definitely not.

    How are you not smart enough to see this? Kindergartens are full of children that would take one look at a wind tunnel and see how air behaves, yet here you are obsessional, delusional and still spamming the same claims and videos over and over. 911 is off topic by some enormous degree and you just want to use it as another moronic yard stick to avoid answering questions raised of you. You ignore the entire written rebuttal of Windley based on your fleeting and idiotic viewpoints that contradict him.

    SPAM it again you mean. I don't give two hoots what you think, there are 3 separate videos showing his path took him close enough to do so. Including from the person who you rely on for most of your painfully repetitive spam. It is not even relevant what Jarrah White then summarizes. He was close enough to strike it. He struck it.

    All we have left to quantify is the movement before he reached the flag.

    Small object:-

    [​IMG]

    Man:-

    [​IMG]

    Car:-

    [​IMG]


    There is nothing at all to support your wall of air nonsense, you cannot possibly be a truther as every single piece of scientific evidence dismisses your claim. I'll leave the final word on the matter in this video. It shows exactly how much air and how far it is pushed in relation to a man:-

    http://www.sailracing.com/stories/wind-tunnel/

    Explain with citations how air moves something a few feet in front of it. Explain properly how the wind tunnel doesn't explain exactly how air movement works.
     
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    Yes there is. These two videos blow you out of the water.

    Initial Apollo 15 Flag Movement
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW9qcL4LiUg

    The flag that moved
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0


    Those examples you keep giving don't prove anything as they don't duplicate the conditions which make the Apollo flag move.

    Apollo 15 flag, facing air resistance; proving the fraud of alleged manned moon landings.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn6MTrin5eU
    (2:35 time mark)


    Anyone who does an experiment which duplicates the condition that are at issue here will be able to duplicate the Apollo flag movement.

    (excerpt from post #134)

    I think this is starting to bore the viewers. They all know what our stands are so why don't we talk about this anomaly for a while.

    This video shows that the flag movement is consistent with atmosphere.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7yc2rVOs00
    (00:50 and 1:50 time marks)

    The movement of the support rod shows how the astronaut is moving the pole. He's not moving it in a way that makes it come to a stop. It's air that makes it come to a stop faster than the one in the MythBusters video.



    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=362999&page=2&p=1064028979#post1064028979
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=403884&page=2&p=1064900819#post1064900819
     
  23. Betamax101

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    Spam and diversion - one random line quoted out of my entire post and that is all you've got! You are simply a cowardly troll who is incapable of a response. I have asked you the same things now, maybe half a dozen times and each time you avoid it. You are not a truther, you are simply an obsessive spammer with some axe to grind over the US government. Your actions are not virtuous or informative, they are lies and repetition. I asked you to quantify your argument with scientific citations and I gave you pictures and video showing exactly how air behaves. You totally ignored it because you have no answer. We both know this, so don't act like some warrior for the truth and make out the viewers support you. As far as I can tell, there is just one very ignorant user posting in support of you, everybody else can see you for what you are.

    Those examples show how air behaves no matter what the object is and no matter how fast it is going(up to supersonic). That is why you ignored them.

    You are a fraud and a liar. You have repeatedly been asked to prove this. It is hogwash. Jarrah White did what he thought was a conclusive experiment, but sadly all he achieved was to disprove his own case. His flag billowed wildly, Apollo 15 did not. His flag stopped quickly, Apollio 15 did not. His flag began to move when he was mere inches away, Apollo 15 was considerably further away.
    He further compounded this by prancing up and down next to his bed in close proximity to his bed sheet which did not move from his own air wake!

    You have once again had your butt kicked, but you are too far into the rabbit hole to concede that you are hopelessly and disgracefully wrong.

    Explain with citations how air moves something a few feet in front of it. Explain properly how the wind tunnel doesn't explain exactly how air movement works.


    Spam yet again. I have answered this 20 times and you avoid my responses.

    http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/apollo-17-flag.html

    My bet is that you will only respond to the last part. I will simply repost until you respond properly.
     
  24. Scott

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    My goal is not to make this guy admit anything. I know he'll never do that. If I ask him to address anomalies that are simply too clear to obfuscate, he'll have to say some pretty lame things to maintain his position and that's all I ever expect to accomplish. His authotitative patronizing attitude won't save him on this one as these anomalies are simply too clear. Something lame said in an authoritative patronizing tone is still lame so I'd bet his success rate is close to zero. This thread has been a good study of sophistry.

    The Black Knight will never go away.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4
     
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    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    Answer my post properly you cowardly troll.
     

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