More abortions = less welfare. Pick one, right wingers !

You're right.

That was a lot of squirming and twisting....

On YOUR part!

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I express it as an allegation.

An indictment against Roe - which we have consistently "alleged" is un-Constitutional for now more than 40 Years.

It's not any different than the way some vegetarians use the phrase "Meat is murder."

Only if you think they can reverse the murder charges and get the language and the definitions of the UVVA repealed.

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You just keep on getting funnier.

That is not how you meant it to come over and you know it, no matter how you try to wriggle.

It doesn't need to be repealed IF it was left alone by radicals and allowed to stand for what it really means and not their interpretations.

Yep it does, but to use it to challenge Roe you are going to have to get the exclusions removed .. good luck with that [meant in sarcasm BTW]

As said, its only projecting if it isn't true and for me (like you) it is true.

I do

The only person that makes it about you is you.

Simple question, should abortion be made illegal and Roe overturned Yes/No/Don't Know/Not Bothered

 

Make it an opinion poll for the entire forum and I'll answer that question there.

 

Done, poll posted

 

You are vexing and waging moral issues against economics. It is an unuseful comparison. They are inherently different both in the nature of ethics and economic philosophy.

You state two completely seperate problems or concern facing the world today:

-Abortion debate; largely involves ethics and moral code.
-Crime and welfare issues; involves economics and issues of local funding.

The goal to improve living conditions and providing economic growth to laden areas should not include the agenda of anything other than economic welfare. Respectively the area of defining the percieved rights ,boundaries, or definitions of them should not take into context the level of affluency or welfare in it's intended or fucused region.

Your way of thinking is a pitfall in the area of solving problems and issues facing us today. These issues find no definition, clarity, or resolve when 'clumped' together.

 

Where in the bible does it say that you are accountable for the sins of others? Anywhere? If it's a choice that you wouldn't make you have every right to feel how you feel. How does the bible mandate that we are directly responsible for decisions of others. Many people have faith that the bible is real but in all actuality, they don't know that. I don't know if it's true. We weren't around 2,000 years ago when all this stuff was written and deemed the truth and we weren't around when a Roman dictator named Constantine picked through the gospels with his buddies to put what they liked in the bible and leave out what they didn't like. Just because he claimed to have witnessed a burning cross in the sky during a battle and decided to convert to Christianity doesn't mean that's what actually happened? Constantine was a ruthless dictator and could very well have had an ulterior motive for converting. No one knows and if you claim that you're sure of it then you're kidding yourself. The bottom line is that nothing in the bible has ever been proven to be the actual truth of history. There's no way it can be proven and probably never will be. I don't really like to insult anyone's faith. If you have it then that's fine. Many people of faith use this un-proven historical book as a weapon against people who don't share that same faith. If abortion is a sin in the eyes of God then God will deal with it. God will judge, not us. It won't go against you. I wish people would stop acting as if their own souls are at stake because they didn't stop women from having abortions.

 

I don't believe anyone in government, state or federal, can stand upon their morals and ethics in this country to dictate the morals and ethics that the country as a whole should be governed by. No one is solving problems and issues. No one!

 

A vast swath of the country can't even do this without examining their own failures when it comes to morality and ethics. There aren't many I believe that live up to their own code in these areas. They just like to make it sound as though they do when it comes to matters such as this. People who speak out the loudest about abortion have done everything in their might to stomp it out and gone as far as to try and establish the absolute definition of conception and life, as if they really knew. All this is done under the guise of simple ethics and morality issue when all along the underlying root problem is personal religious bias.

 

Sterilizations also lead to less welfare. Why can't we have those? At least no one has to die.