More abortions = less welfare. Pick one, right wingers !

Sorry, but there are some things that just aren't subject to a majority vote (which is what your "averaging opinions" amounts to), a woman's body is one of those things. It's her decision. Do you have the same opinion if we put your body up for majority vote, say we'll vote on whether you're required to get a vasectomy?

 

pro-choice = Let everyone decide instead of insisting that your position is right.

 

Vasectomies don't kill anything. that's why pro-lifers dont make a big deal about them.

 

Since you don't mind, we could require all boys to have a vasectomy at puberty, reversible upon a court decision that the individual is capable of adequate parenting. As I recall, you didn't like that proposal by fugazi, but now you say vasectomies are OK. Elimination of abortion, you're for that, right?

 

In my opinion, when we feel someone is violating the rights of another.

It's not only our right to get involved in that situation...

It's our duty to do so.

It would be irresponsible to NOT get involved.

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Same goes for the child's body and the child's rights.

 

Err, what?

What I meant by that statement was this.

I am a pro-lifer, and I don't want to ban vasectomies, because vasectomies don't kill another human being, unlike abortions.

 

But if they end all abortions, you're OK with requiring them, aren't you? It's a procedure that just takes a few minutes, causes some soreness for a few days, and then you can forget it. Not like pregnancy which lasts nine miserable months and leaves scars on a woman's body forever. I think the general public will vote for this, once they understand abortions will be ended.

 

Yep, I agree.

Oh, I thought you were talking about someone hurting another person?

You will find both of us fighting for children and their rights. Head Start, healthcare, nutrition, better schools, preventing pedophilia actions, safe environment - these are some of the things that I fight for.

 

We should have mandatory abortions for unwed mothers who can't support their spawn without welfare.

 

The Unborn Victims of Violence Act and nearly 40 State's Laws against fetal homicide - does exactly that.

They define a child in the womb "in any stage of development" as "a human being" and they make it a crime of "murder" to illegally kill one.

So, the opposite of your claim is actually the truth.

It has been "established."

 

So try charging a woman for murder because she had an abortion and see what the Supreme Court says then, we both know the answer.

 

Yet,.... a child is not even a child (in your opinion) until it lives too long and develops past an arbitrarily decided point - after which - you can't deny that they are a child any more.

Correct?

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Patience.

We're working on that.

 

Apples and oranges. Has nothing to do with abortion. Which is legal in all 50 states and is the right of every woman.

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We know you are. Good luck enforcing such a ridiculous notion. Good luck even proving it.

Abortion isn't going anywhere. Its the law of the land and is a woman's right to choose.

 

You said it hasn't been established (that a child in the fetal stage of their life is a 'person') and I just showed you that it has too been established.

How is that 'apples and oranges' - just because those laws also (for now) allow for abortions to continue?

You should show some integrity and concede a point when a point has been made.

It would go a long ways towards your own credibility.

 

Thanks?

And we all know that laws (sans slavery, etc.) never ever change.

Right?

 

It establishes nothing. Personally I think such laws are unconstitutional anyway. However someone assaulting a woman and it resulting in her losing the pregnancy was against her wishes. The choice was taken from her during an illegal assault. It really is laughable how you people think that within 4 weeks there is a "baby". Life begins at conception is a seriously ridiculous notion with no credibility except for religious nonsense.

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Those enabled us forward, banning abortion again takes us backwards.

 

Your appeals to ridicule & your denials is not going to change the fact that the 'personhood' of prenatal human beings "in any stage of development' has been established now by several laws which make the illegal killing of one - a crime of murder.

 

And yet again your lie and misrepresentation. No wonder you are unwilling to answer the pertinent question: Why aren't fetuses counted in the census? All persons are. why aren't fetuses allowed as dependents? All children are. Answer the question if you have any integrity.

 

Yes murder is illegal, abortion is not. And will continue to be legal as it is a woman's right to choose. Sending women to prison for abortions is a laughably pathetic idea. Perhaps you can show me where a zygote, embryo, or fetus has stated their opinion on anything?

 

If that were true, abortion would be illegal.

 

These things take time.

 

Yup over 40 years and counting lol.

 

But it isn't so there is nothing to escape.

before viability.

 

Children's rights are more often than not - argued by proxy.

 

Is it? What is a human being? Ever hear of a being without organs? Aren't beings supposed to maintain their own life functions?

Have you ever taken a biology class?

If it WILL it IS NOT.

That is your choice.

Yea, SOMETHING, but that is far from a human being.

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Yea, but why force your imagination on others?