More Americans and most Republicans now believe in climate change

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  1. MrTLegal

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    https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/30/politics/climate-change-monmouth-poll/index.html

    The cause of climate change and the severity of the issue continue to be a major point of division based on your political alignment. A plurality believe that both Nature and Humans contribute equally (37%), while nearly three in ten agree that humans are mostly to blame. Only 10% believe that Nature is the primary factor.

    In terms of severity, a majority (54%) of Americans consider climate change to be a major problem and that is a huge increase over the 2015 number when only 41% considered climate change to be a major problem. Regardless of your party, the percentage of Americans who recognize Climate Change as a serious problem has increased from three years ago.

    Slowly, but surely, Americans are joining the rest of the world in terms of their acceptance and recognition of climate change as being primarily our fault and a very serious problem.

    Even as Trump continues to cast doubt on his own climate report.
     
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    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Does that change anything ?

    The climate is going to keep changing and not even Jerry Brown can stop it.
     
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    What a load of BS. Americans aren't "slowy but surely" doing anything. Most folks in this country understand, because we can see it, that there isn't a mile of ice covering NYC. We can see it. We then know that our climate has changed enough since that mile of ice covered NYC that caused that ice to melt, and our climate to warm. Nobody is unaware of this. Nobody.

    What is clearly in question though, is does the current statistical analysis of the very small amount of climate fluctuation that we currently see, tell us anything of long term merit, or not. Then, because we know that the entire output of all mankind is still less than 5% (some say less than 4%) of total CO2 output, that the causation of that slight fluctuation cannot entirely or even asserted as the primary cause of the fluctuation that we are currently seeing.

    We're talking about a concept of "global average temperature". Like that's an actual thing. And yet, we have individual areas that distribute themselves around the globe that indicate that they are relatively stable, and are not being effected in any short term way, regardless of the fluctuations that have been calculated.

    Why is the interagency report so vilified? Because folks compared it's conclusions to the UNIPCC report and found that it ostensibly doubled the worst case outcomes from the UNIPCC reports conclusions, and then represented them as being reliable.
     
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    Age also plays a role in whether Americans believe it is possible and whether there is still time to correct our influence on climate change. The older you are, the less likely you are to believe that it is a problem or that you can do anything to limit our influence.

    I am going to take a wild stab and guess that you belong in the older age range.

    And yes, as the electorate evolves and becomes more knowledgeable, the leaders that we elect are forced to react accordingly.
     
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    CNN?? CNN sucks and is fake news.

    Besides, the Americans are not the issue, it's the Chinese and the Indians who do the majority of polluting this planet. Pollution is the problem, not global warming. Maybe CNN will figure out how to "dim" the sun. :)
     
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    Here where the loony left went wrong...they politicized the weather and climate.

    Alinskyism 101:
    When you politicize anything, it divides society and that is good to further the Marxist political agenda.

    They politicized the NFL didn't they ?
     
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    Who are the CLIMATE DENIERS the LOONY RIGHT!!!
     
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    Experience has shown people generally just disagree with the prescription, not necessarily the diagnosis or even the prognosis.

    The Gilets Jaunes movement in France shows that even in a nation where 3 in 4 think climate change is a threat and 2 in 3 think it's human caused - people disagree over the legislative means of reducing emissions.

    A broad coalition finds the fuel excise punitive and excessive. It's not just Le Pen supporters protesting. Left wing leaders have made supportive statements also.
     
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    Still with this thing, just too because most layman agree with something doesn't mean it's true.
     
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    ~98% of actively publishing climatologists think it is true...
     
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    People thinking something doesn't equal truth.

    That's not how science works.
     
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    The climate has never been static.
     
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    Experts studying something and reaching conclusions based on empirical evidence. That's how science works. And that is why so many scientists have reached the conclusion that humankind is responsible for most of the warming.
     
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    In fact, the ability of Fake Science to influence public opinion is fading fast.
    Rather like the influence of Fake News.
     
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    Yeah not just a bunch of people thinking something.

    No they jump to that conclusion to obtain funding.
     
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    You don't honestly believe that scientists could not obtain funding from other sources, say - fossil fuel industry, for reaching the opposite conclusions.
     
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    I had some higher hopes that my reference to "actively publishing" might suggest to you that they were basing their conclusions on peer reviewed studies and not on mere belief.
     
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    Apparently 36% of Republicans disagree with you.

    And that non-static climate is currently being altered significantly and rapidly because of human influence.
     
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    Prove it. Identify a few scholarly papers where the conclusions are not thought-out and supported by the data. Where you can show that they have reached that conclusion in order to obtain funding.

    Hint: you won't be able to do it, because YOUR conclusion (that scientists jump to conclusions to obtain funding) is something you just made up out of thin air.
     
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    I believe you may be correct. But there’s nothing we can do about it. Humans aren’t going to change their behavior unless there’s a 300’ ocean rise.
     
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    most if not all believe that yes the climate does change we all know the Ice Age occurred
    that wasn't ever part of the debate with the vast majority what is up for debate is if or how much has man contributed
    I don't believe man has contributed enough to go into hysterias to hurt economies by raising energy cost and taxes
    I believe its mostly a natural cycle and a decade or less we will see cooling its even predicted by NASA that we will because of the sun going into a less active stage of its cycle

    What hurts the Climate Change agenda is all these chicken littles running around screaming we are all going to die and all these predations which the vast majority of these predictions never materialize to be true causing the boy that cried worf problem
     
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    Yes and they do.
     
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    Prove that consensus doesn't equal fact?

    You've never heard of P-hacking?

    Sorry to insult your religion. That wasn't my intent.
     
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    Let's not forget the holy practice if peer review.
     
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    They even lie and present fake "scientific data" to get those funds and pad their pocketbooks.

    BTW: Al Gore’s home uses more than 20 times the national average. That makes him a hypocrite. :)
     
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