More Americans and most Republicans now believe in climate change

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  1. iamanonman

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    Hindcasts do quite well as do forecasts. Where are you getting that they failed? Anyway computer models aren't the only line of evidence scientists use to conclude that the Earth will warm under the influence of CO2. This conclusion was made long before computer models or even just computers were even a thing.
     
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    I knew you would not take it further

    You could post that climate change is being cause by rotting Lunar cheese that does not mean I am under any obligation to refute such a ridiculous notion.

    But thank you for showing the depth of ignorance on this subject

    BTW what is the temperature of space?
     
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    It is now
    This following graph is not from any scientific source trying to scam you :roll:

    It is from the insurance industry

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    [​IMG] Yep! Billion dollar disasters happen all the time
     
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    I can't speak for anyone else but I fully acknowledge my own limitations and know that my own professional expertise in no way makes me an expert in all scientific disciplines. I also learned early on that no matter how much I think I know there's always someone that knows more. I also quickly figured out that the more I learn the more I realize how little I know.

    I have to ask...what would you think if a climatologist came along and told you everything you know about your particular field of expertise is all wrong?
     
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    The human ability to forget natural disasters always astounds me
     
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    It would depend on the Climatologist. If it were not someone I thought was agenda driven, I would take it seriously. I know some nuclear scientist that are kind of whacked and others that are really on point and brilliant. The National Labs have been involved in Climate Change studies for years. I am not involved with them too much, but have met them at lunches and other events. Sadly, most of them are a total joke. The nuclear engineers and scientists I work with often make fun of them. They are driven by the federal funds and pushing an agenda and not about delivering truth and solutions.
     
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    And yet renewables are out pacing even nuclear as a cheaper cleaner option

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    Perhaps 'natural catastrophes' were once a natural part of life and people understood and accepted them more easily. Now the numbers have risen because a 'catastrophe' is someone forgetting your birthday or not having your favorite presidential candidate elected.
     
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    If you don't have a clue what the survey asked, I don't trust your claims.
     
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    But Americans are reducing our CO2 emissions. This is not true of the other signatories to the deal. I'm pretty sure they needed plane loads of cash from the US to make any progress, and that is what Trump nixed. But hey, think of how much CO2 was not emitted by not flying 747s full of Jeffersons back and forth across the ocean.

    The Euros do not need our help to reduce their emissions. China and India have said "hell no, we are going full throttle on more emissions." So Trump is a straw man in this debate. He is not king of India, China, or Europe. He isn't the king of his own bathroom.
     
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    Well they can, and they do it's just wrong when Trump does it... He must be like Voldemort to these people.
     
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    Hoo boy! How do you know the CO2 level isn't headed to 2000PPM like it did back then? There was no man made global warming back then because there was no man. So how do you know that the Earth isn't going through a cycle where we have 2000 PPM CO2 again? It obviously wasn't man made.
     
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    Mate there is a Nobel Prize and several million dollars waiting for the person who can prove man is not to blame for the current global warming

    All you need to do is research those "hot spots in space" and prove they are to blame and you will be showered with money from fossil fuel interests
     
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    Just look at the totals. 2000 PPM vs 412 PPM. Was it man made 65 million years ago? Dinosaur farts? 1000 PPM is ideal for farm crops and other vegetation. We're at 412 PPM.
     
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    You brought up the "hot spots in space" not me, so knock your self out.
     
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    No, it was you. A couple of years ago now and I remember because I am still giggling about it
     
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    Hmmm and while you were researching the late Cretaceous period did you happen to read that the water temperatures got up to 41 degrees Celsius? If that happened now we could say bye bye to all our coral reefs

    Did you read where the seas died? We know that because it left a dark shale behind formed by loss of oxygen in the oceans

    Do we know what the weather was like? Were ther more droughts and floods because that is what we are seeing now
     
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    Hindcasts are notoriously poor, but forecasts seem to be equally so. For 50 years we have been 10 years from the destruction of the planet. It is kind of like fusion power is always 10 years away.

    We all know CO2 is relatively opaque to IR. But the Earth has been much warmer and much richer in CO2 than anyone is even projecting and then we had ice ages rather than runaway global warming. It is obvious from the fact that I am alive and evolved from apes that evolved from lizards that the climate is largely impervious to trivial additions to CO2 which is a trivial addition to greenhouse gas.
     
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    Citations?
     
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    Prove it or sit down and sober up.
     
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    Your points not mine, proof please.
     
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    So now you are saying that it is NOT hot spots in space?
     
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    :roflol:
     

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