More European Countries Refuse Migrants

We shouldn't let them free first. Many of them can walk freely, when they're criminal. I don't speak of being waterboarded, I think they should stay in some centers and we should build partnerships with some african countries so they keep them, just the time to send them back in their countries.

 

But surely the first thing that should be done is to find out if they have criminal records in the countries they say they're from, isn't it? Otherwise who the hell knows who they are, or why they've fled?

 

If they are illegal then they have already technically committed a crime....thus the process is then establishing their right to remain or not!!

 

I agree so where do you wish to start this proccess of harsh treatment you refered to

....but you approve of the enforced listening to Luc Abrogast!! I'd rather be waterboarded....

 

I don't approve of the scale or intensity, but I can't stop it.
And yes, historically, mass migrations have constantly been occouring.
I'm an Anglo Saxon. That right there makes me part of two mass migrations by heritage.

Things change. Mutate and Survive.

 

Don't agree. They might be 'illegal' for a legit reason, for example being threatened by the authorities of their countries for publically expressing unwanted criticism of those authorities - in other words, a genuine refugee/asylum seeker. On the other hand, if those same authorities are persecuting because of criminal activity then we don't want them here to carry on. You can have them there, but we don't want them here. I suppose you have no objection to that?

 

yeah..both on the same page there Cerb. My point was basically the same, a genuine assylum seeker would presumably present himself/herself/itsself (covering all the possible bases) to the authorities with documentation and identification and then accept the process. Our French buddy Votre I assumed was referring to those that pitch up with no ID and no willingness to disclose anything about themselves.... yeah bung em out.

 

Trouble with that, Scotty, is that if they don't have any ID nobody would know where to 'bung 'em out' (LOL) to?

 

I was reading that the total budget for dealing with the immigration fiasco is something like £400M which is bugger all!

 

Christ that would build, equip, and staff a couple of hospitals, or a few nursing homes wouldn't it!!

 

Apparently not. It seems to be so inadequate as to be pointless. To be effective you would need to build, man, equip and maintain facilities for tens of thousands of people instead of the what I think is around 2-3,000? Then you have to find and catch them and process them through the investigation, legal and deportation phases - IF there is a return agreement with the countries that came from. AND, it seems, we don't have return agreements with many countries.

$400 million squidlets sounds like a heap of cash but ain't really; apparently the Arts Council grant is around £270M so I guess that puts it into perspective?

If anybody can jump in with better numbers please do!

 

Hey Cerb, further to the above I just found this which may shed a bit of light...

Links here.... Migration Watch

 

"In 2016 the Home Office removed 2,400 immigration offenders, 6,200 Foreign National Offenders and 2,400 failed asylum cases."

Toi be honest mate - I wouldn'[t believe one word the Home Office says, not one. They're even bigger serial liars than the moD. Thanks for the link though. (Migration Watch, the scourge of lefties everywhere?)