More incredibly ignorant so called educators

Discussion in 'Education' started by logical1, Mar 4, 2014.

  1. munter

    munter New Member

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    yep, that's how it is for sure - make teachers into mere 'facilitators' and students into 'customers' , it's the way it's going and it's bad news for long term education.

    big bonuses? to 'top' teachers - well , how is that supposed to work anyway, because students usually vote for the best looking teacher or the one that gives them the least 'hassle'.
     
  2. Mayor Snorkum

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    The mother wants "an apology"?

    Hopefully the father wants the names and addresses of all the faculty, first for the massive lawsuit, against each individual as a private citizen, and second as a means to begin stalking them.
     
  3. Mayor Snorkum

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    If teachers want "rights", they can go find a private school, but no good school will take them.

    Right now, they're government employees, and as such should not be allowed to goonionize, should not have "tenure" (seriously, for K-12? What "controversial" material are they covering that isn't ordered by the state fascists already), should have to earn their position everyday by actually TEACHING.

    The flip side of the coin is, of course, that (*)(*)(*)(*)-for-brains "students" shouldn't be allowed to stay in classrooms where their failure to behave causes problems for others. YES, the Mayor is referring to the mentally deficient as well as the gangsters. The one belongs in classes where they can get the most benefit without slowing the others down, and the second belongs in prison, reform school, or on the streets. It's not the teacher's job to regulate the thugs, that's a police matter.

    And sure, why shouldn't attendees who flatly refuse to learn finally be expelled from school if its plain that they're not doing anyone any good in a classroom, least of all themselves? There's no reason for the US to import unskilled invaders when our public schools produce a fair fraction of completely unskilled graduates already.

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    That's reasonable. AFTER they're released from prison for callous disregard for human safety. Criminal records are always useful when seeking a new teaching position, aren't they?
     
  4. Mayor Snorkum

    Mayor Snorkum Banned

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    The Mayor's best teachers were two OLD ladies, in their sixties, who taught first and third grades.

    That was 50 years ago, of course.

    Today's old teachers are mostly just as stupid as today's young teachers, without the tight ass.
     
  5. Mayor Snorkum

    Mayor Snorkum Banned

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    Liberals are stupid.

    Teachers are stupid.

    Ergo, teachers are liberals.

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    Didn't like that one?

    Liberals are stupid.

    Teachers have no brains.

    Ergo, liberals have no brains.

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    Its why they vote for Obama.

    It takes true stupidity for any school to run a fire drill in the depths of a record-setting winter.

    Growing up in Syracuse, NY, NO public school had ANY fire DRILLS during inclement weather.

    Only a friggin' idiot would have a drill in zero degree weather, since none of the students would reasonably be expected to have their outdoor gear with them in class.

    Only friggin' idiots are liberals.

    Connect the dots. Be sure to go from 1 to 2 to 3 to 4, don't skip 5 on the way to 6, okay?

    As for having a fire "alarm" while the are students in the pool, the sane thing for the gym teacher to do is to get the class out of the water, have them wait in the heated room near the exits, and check with the front office to see if the situation warrants forcing soaking wet children out into the brutal cold, naked except for their swimsuits.

    Nobody expects sanity or even intelligence from any school official any more.

    California teaches children to GET UNDER their desks in an earth quake.

    The Mayor orders his children to get NEXT TO their desks in real earthquakes so that if the ceiling falls, it doesn't squash them under the furniture. Instead, the furniture provides a clear zone after it's absorbed the impact strain energy.
     
  6. munter

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    Quite the Nanny State supporter aren't you.

    And you were the one bashing the liberals....lol
     
  7. Koosie

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    Where in this article does it say the teacher is a liberal and voted for Obama?

    Your partisanship is showing.
     
  8. johnmayo

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    She would use for protection from the elements not a fashion statement.
     
  9. johnmayo

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    Also protected.

    The teacher made a mistake. No need to lose a job over this one. An apology letter I think is appropriate.
     
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    There was no fire. Just smoke from a chem lab that set off the alarm. Without fire or smoke in sight they ran out to freeze.
     
  11. johnmayo

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    She will get 100k if she sues, but 400m is a bit far. Why 100k? That is usually around the limit schools will allow for lawsuits against them without legislative approval. In most of the south at least. I think it is 140k in FL now. She will win her lawsuit if she pursues it, clear cut case of negligence.
     
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    Why no one must go to college since so few professionals are unionized. Everyone out of college must make minimum wage.

    Put the pipe down.

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    Why do you bother typing this stuff?
     
  13. Think for myself

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    Interesting.

    A fire alarm went off, which was not a planned drill but rather a fire alarm being triggered, and evacuating a student out of a school that has all of the indications of an actual fire is the fault of a teachers' union?

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/372389/minnesota-school-freezes-live-student-andrew-johnson
     
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    '...and in other breaking news; dog bites man'.:roll:
     
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    Negligence? Utter rubbish. A bona fide fire alarm was sounded and the school acted appropriately. So, she could either have suffered cold feet for a few minutes or potentially died from burning or smoke inhalation. And you consider this adequate grounds for a law suit? Only in America, folks, the epicentre of pointless litigation.
     
  16. Wizard From Oz

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    You are not very good at this are you. Today the headline would read

    Our rights are being further savaged by a black dog during unprovoked attack at political rally.
     
  17. johnmayo

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    Well I said an apology letter would be fine for me, but she has a case if she pursues it.

    The teacher 1) had a duty to protect the student, she 2) breached that duty by forcing her out into the cold without proper attire, that breach 3) lead directly to the injury, if she unlocked the locker or looked around it would have been avoided but she didnt and 4) the injury of frost bite even when minor is measurable damages.

    What part of the requirements for a negligence case doesn't she have?

    Duty is clear
    Breach is clear to me. Pretty stupid to rush kids out in the cold without protection when there is no fire or smoke in sight
    Causation is clear, if not rushed into the cold no frost bite
    Damages is also clear due to the documented frost bite.
     
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    That was racist for you to post. Black dogs are no more likely to bite then goldens. It all depends on how they were trained as a pup.
     
  19. Wizard From Oz

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    The case will last all of 8 seconds

    Judge: Sir what are your qualifications or training in judging the threat level of a fire

    Teacher: None your honor

    Judge: Case dismissed
     
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    You're reaching. Fire regulations are in place for one reason only-to save lives in the event of fire, and the school did what it needed to do. The girl got cold for a few minutes and her future well-being has been affected in no way whatsoever. The school adequately demonstrated its duty of care by adhering to fire regulations. What alternative would you suggest; ignore the 'immediately' portion of fire regulations instructing you when to leave a potentially burning building? As for the 'frostbite' canard, would you have still supported a lawsuit had there actually been a fire?

    By the way the hospital which employed me had regular, weekly, fire drills and the alarm would sometimes sound for no apparent reason. Should I have ignored them because there had been no fires previously?
     
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    No one said ignore them, I said, get her proper attire before forcing her out into the cold when it is obvious there is no fire in sight. If that wouldn't have worked, I don't know... maybe help clothe her like the students knew to do and the other teacher who came? C'mon man. If this was a private business you would have no problem.
     
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    not at all.

    Lawyer - You saw no fire, you knew she was wet from the pool, and you knew she didnt have clothing because the locker room was locked?
    Teacher - Yes
    Lawyer - You didnt think to give her your shoes or bring anything from the class she could stand on so she wasnt cold?
    Teacher - No
    Lawyer When others saw her out there freezing, they rushed to her aid with clothing, towels...were they children?
    Teacher Yes
    Lawyer - So children understood the danger, but you did not?
    Teacher - Yes
    Lawyer - Another teacher even came over and helped the girl into a car, is that correct?
    Teacher - Yes
    Lawyer - Why didn't you do any of these things before my client's foot was frostbitten?
    Teacher - Not sure, maybe I am a dumbass that just does what the bell tells me instead of using my head.
    Lawyer - isnt that exactly the point logical1 was making?
    Teacher - Who?
    Lawyer - logical1, he is that guy from PF that got called out by the Aussie for basically telling me everything you said.
    Teacher - , Oh, Mr. 1, I didn't know his first name. Yes... he was right. I have no clue what Capt. Kangaroo was complaining about.
     
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    What is it about 'immediately' that eludes you? In the event of a fire you haven't got the luxury of time to go looking for "proper attire". You act appropriately as the school did, and you don't wait to figure out if the alarm was a false one. Besides which the source of a fire is not always immediately apparent, and it is emphatically not for a teacher to judge what is, and what is not a genuine fire and how to react to an alarm. The Fire Department does that.
     
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    And what exactly is your training in fire safety?
     
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    Depending on the system the school uses they get two results. Undefined alarm, complete evacuation. If the system can isolate the location, a fire in a science lab is an extremely bad thing to try and deal with
     

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