More than 100 shot, 15 killed in Chicago over Fourth of July weekend

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  1. DoctorWho

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    That is so true !
    Like the Bloke that insists that Machine Guns made just before 1986 are not modern or current.
     
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    if you really can't grasp the comparison I can't hep you, so don't waste your race card
     
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    Article at link below explains what's happening in Chicago, limitations on federal powers over State issues and what Trump is doing or could possibly do to get past those limitations. Bottom line, it's like a war zone, so it's going to take time to see any results.
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...n-chicago-to-fight-gun-violence-epidemic.html
     
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    "100 people were shot, and 15 were killed"

    Not very good shooting.

    We need to help Chicago open more shooting ranges.

    "The NRA Training Department, with the help from our top certified instructors from across the country, has developed a new introductory pistol marksmanship course called the NRA Pistol Marksmanship Simulator Training Course.

    When surveying our instructors needs we see a reoccurring theme – limited access to shooting ranges and help recruiting more students. The goal of this program is to address those needs while teaching basic marksmanship fundamentals, firearm safety and enticing the students to continue their education by signing up for your Basic Pistol Course with live fire."

    http://trainingupdate.nra.org/nra-pistol-marksmanship-simulator-training.aspx
     
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    Pray tell how is that the fault of those who own firearms legally? Are they at fault if their personal property is stolen? Do we now blame the victim for being victimized?

    Beyond the fact that these other nations, supposedly developed nations, have been regulating every single aspect pertaining to firearms for far longer than the united states has even existed?
     
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    First, there are already federal laws regulating the acquisition of firearms by everyone. Prohibitions on convicted felons possessing firearms are not local but rather federal, and applies everywhere.

    Second, a person legally residing in one state cannot legally acquire firearms in a state they are not a resident of, unless they go through a federally licensed firearms dealer, and the firearm is shipped back to another federally licensed dealer in the state in which the individual legally resides. Even if they purchase from a private individual, it is still a felony offense, as such is regulated through interstate commerce.
     
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    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I know. I was just giving a hard time to the Trumpbots who blamed Obama for everything that went wrong anywhere in the world for 8 years...
     
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    So ?
    Rephrase that to read, Reagan, Bush etc......
    It is all very Political.
    Just like the folks that think Obama was more than a mediocre Politician.
     
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    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, he came out of nowhere and won pretty big twice in national elections, then left with very high approval ratings. I would say that is a lot more than mediocre as far as politics go...That said, Trump won against huge odds in both the primaries and in the general. His victory was amazing even if it turns out that the Russians helped him a little. He beat several seasoned politicians in the primary, then beat a huge political machine who outspent him 2/1 in November. If he wins in 2020 and finishes his second term, he will be considered as a phenomenal politician. Even if he loses in 2020, in my book he will be considered much more than mediocre as a politician.
     
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    So obama is doing pretty much what he did as President - touring the world, going on vacation, playing golf, all on the publics dime.
     
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    So is Trump, except he is playing more golf and getting in petty pushing contests with cable news jocks too.
     
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    I see you get your talking points form MSNBC, too. Nice.
     
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    You are fully ignorant of our federal laws; doing as you just describe, absent interaction with -2- federally licensed dealers and a background check, is a federal felony.
     
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    turtle saying #40

    the people who whine the most about our Gun laws not being sufficient are the least likely to actually know what the current laws are
     
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    Just FYI, the Chicago bangers are up +7 in the homicide department over last year's 20+ year record for murders.
     
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    They Ignore it because they, and we, are 'racist' IN THAT we have Justified expectations that this violence will take place daily and plentifully. One/two groups are more violent. It's not even News.

    I'm a big 'Law and Order' fan, especially the older ones. 90+% of Perps are White men. The Reverse of Real Life!
    It's really very deceptive, and people may get the impression there's some sort of equivalence.

    The Color of Crime
    Crime rates
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    Urban centers
    In 2014 in New York City, a black was 31 times more likely than a white to be arrested for Murder, and a Hispanic was 12.4 times more likely. For the crime of “shooting”— defined as firing a bullet that hits someone —a Black was 98.4 times more likely than a white to be arrested, and a Hispanic was 23.6 times more likely.

    If New York City were All white, the murder rate would drop by 91%, the robbery rate by 81%, and the shootings rate by 97%.

    In an All-white Chicago, murder would decline 90%, rape by 81%, and robbery by 90%.
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    Tell that to a liberal and he/she would call you racist and ill-informed.
     
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    We don't have a Gun Problem, we have a Minority (2) problem.
    And it ain't Asians.
    Asians commit crime at 1/4 of the white rate.
    Leaving the usual suspects. Who as it turns out, are WAY Under stopped-and-frisked relative to their crime rates.

    89% of all Crime in NYC Nonwhite
    March 4, 2016 - by A.N. Wyatte
    89% of all Crime in NYC Nonwhite - The New Observer

    Nonwhites commit 89% of all crime in New York City, including 97.7% of all shootings, 96% of all robberies, 94.2% of all murders, 94.9% of all Juvenile Felony and Misdemeanor crimes, and 90.6% of all rapes.

    These figures are contained in the New York City Police Department’s latest “Crime and Enforcement Activity in New York City” report, which covers the dates January 1 to December 31, 2015. It can be found on the New York Government website here (PDF).
    http://www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/stats/reports-analysis/crime-enf.page

    The report is almost Unique in present-day America because it Openly presents statistics on race and crime compiled from the New York City Police Department’s records management system—statistics that are most often Suppressed by other police departments.

    In addition, the NYPD breaks down the racial categories correctly, listing “Hispanic” separately instead of grouping it together with “white,” which is what most of the US government does (thereby artificially inflating the “white” crime levels).​
    ..........
     
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    Newsflash: Chicago just passed 400 homicides today. +10 over last year this time.
     
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    And I suppose the handgun ban worked for all these years.
     
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    Well yes,
    The handgun ban and ban on concealed carry worked very well.

    Criminals always carried Guns.

    Law abiding people did not carry Guns.

    The hard core criminals do not obey any laws so how does a ban on handguns and concealed carry do or accomplish anything good ????

    It can't.

    Next.
     
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