More than 50 rockets fired from Gaza: Israeli killed

No bias...I am neither anti-Israeli or anti-Palestinian...just based on history and common sense.

You are the bias one, I suspect.

 

I am unaware of the history you refer too.

And I would certainly dispute the term "common sense".

I have many biases. I am biased against idoicy, entrenchment, living the past, refusing to compromise, manipulating innocents, teaching hate, theft, oppression, hubris and religious fanaticism.

I guess I am also bias against simpletons who see such complex conflicts in black and white, ignoring realpolitik and human nature.

 

The Israeli leaders refuse to let the Palestinians 'go', they deliberately kill at least 8 Palestinians for every Israeli killed by the moronic Palestinian terrorists, they keep the Palestinians in perpetual poverty - most of which have never harmed an Israeli.

The old fat one climbed the temple Mount to deliberately goad the Palestinians into the Intifada way back when.

And the Israeli leaders goad the Palestinians whenever they feel the need to deflect criticism away from the terrible way they treat them.

Do I have factual proof of all this? Of course not. The Israeli leaders are not stupid.

But if you cannot see how ridiculously obvious it is..then you are so far gone (on this subject) as to not be worth talking to... on this subject.

 

Your "poor" arab nation declared war on the Jewish settelments after countless raids on them during the British mandate, your whinning over our victory and your lost lands are boring - it comes to one simple truth - get busy living or get busy dieing,

Make peace with Israel or shut up about how hard we hit back.

 

Arthur 'Bomber' Harris certainly was a war criminal in the eyes of many. The '1000 bomber raids' achieved little other than destruction of property; mostly civilian. Cologne had no strategic importance and its destruction did nothing to hasten the end of WW2. Bombed factories were back in business within weeks.
The prime objective-demoralising Germany's civilian population-was a failure.

 

Germany was forced to divert massive resources into air defense. WWII was a war of attrition.

 

So its Israel's fault that they kill more palestinians than the moronic palestinian terrorists can? They are moronic because they continually think that the pinpricks they inflict on Israel are victories and that the ensuing misery is a small price and the dead are all martyrs.

Perhaps you should review the history of the second intifada. Sharon's visit to the temple mount - he did not enter was the excuse. Google the PA enquiry into Arafat's monumental theft and the corruption of his government. And wasn't it amazing that the entire intifada was organized and launched within hours of Sharon's visit.

won't argue about the oppression and humiliation of occupation. Nor about each side goading the other for political gain.

But the palestinian leaders are for falling for it every time? well okay ya got me there.

I do see the ridiculously obvious. You think that your speculation is true regardless that it is unsubstantiated by any evidence or fact. I bet you're a fan of Nancy Grace.

 

I presented evidence...admittedly much of it circumstantial...but evidence nonetheless, which you just choose to ignore/belittle (just as I assumed you would).

Your counterpoints had nothing to do with Israel's leader's intentions (just as I assumed they would not).

Talking to close-minded people like you is useless and a waste of time to me.

Contact me when your mind is more open.


Shalom

 

The Zionists formed their terror gangs in the early 1920s... to kill Arabs and British peacekeepers.

Israel turned down a sweet peace deal in 2002 that would have guaranteed recognition, trade and diplomatic relations.

 

Actually you can blame Arafat for turning down peace at Camp David.

 

And you can blame Netanyahu for sabotaging the Oslo Accords: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TG0vdzrmt4"]Netanyahu boasting about Manipulating America and derailing Oslo peace process [better subtitles[ - YouTube[/ame]

This is the slime you call an 'ally'.

 

They are poking a sleeping dragon, a dragon that could beat their ass so hard they would be able to taste heir own (*)(*)(*)(*) at the end...

 

I dont think he said anything wrong. If the Palestinians stopped acttacking Israel then they wouldn't need to have those defined military sites. After giving up Hebron and agreeing to a process to peacefully address the problems... all it would have taken is for the Palestinian terrorists to stop. The Israeli's are the only ones who actually have made real concrete concessions on this issue. All the Palestinians do is squat and attack.

Overall proving again its the Palestinians who sink their own ship, its like its become a psychological failure within the culture of the Palestinian identity. They seem to need to be engaged in violent struggle because they have nothing else to do which is productive. Their whole culture is like the old lubricant of mechanical joint - two opposing solid substances, both of which arent going anywhere but will always wear against each other will always require the weaker material (Jordan/Syria/Lebanon/Egypt) to have a lubricant (Palestinians) to protect it from the stronger material (Israel). Unfortunatly for the Palestinians its not actually Israel's fault.

 

You made an accusation but failed to actually back it up with anything more than opinions that you now claim as circumstantial evidence.

I stated that I was unaware of the history that you referred to as "evidence" but you seem to have conveniently ignored that.

then you play the both the j'accuse and weasel cards. TTFN.

 

How thick can you be?

Maybe you like to waste your time trying to convince closed minded people of things...I do not.

And your points are completely meaningless.

And of course you will say mine are and blah blah blah...nothing gets done.

Since you have time you are dying to waste - waste it on someone who respects you...which is definitely NOT me (at this point).

To me, you are just another biased Israeli-leaders lover who thinks the incredible cruelty they show to innocent Palestinians is somehow justified.

Anyone that thinks that is clearly too emotionally 'off' to be worth conversing with, imo.

Have a nice day.

 

So I read Hamas has proposed a ceasefire which the IDF has responded to with agreement. I think Hamas just likes to think its a player - but any mug can start a fight to look tough.

 

The Zionists simply took advantage of the occupation of the Middle East in order to begin their ethnic cleansing program. What you term " war on the settelments [sic] " was the reaction of the indigenous population to the influx of foreigners . The Zionists, as history has recorded well, lied their way into Palestine. Read;

No ' Jewish State ' eh ? Liars , murderers and illegal squatters.

Listening to your arrogant tripe, who will feel compassion for the Zionists when their stole empire collapses ?

 

I trying to understand you i really do but you lost me,

What does that quete means?? that jewish state wasnt part of the original plan? that we said it wasnt but it was?, i dont understand your point.

Considering my grandpa from one side was a Zioninst that came to Israel in the 30's i know some things from what he told me, he didnt came here to cleanse anything other than the swamps in the north and building new Jewish settelments - dont tell me the Jews massacred the arab population back then they didnt have the muscle to engage the villages and the surrounding countries, besides the Brits favoured arabs alot more for their oil. true, arabs got nervous when more Jews sneaked into Israel from Europe but they had a chance to share the land with its historical owners and without losing a grain of sand, ofc they chose diffrent,

If we really wanted to ethnicly cleanse the land, after 60 years and after all those "genocide" secret programs we are supposed to have - the Palestinians would have been a memory,
In fact the only ethnic mass murderers in this area have been conducted
by Arabs on Arabs - including against Palestinians.

You think i seek compassion??, you are misteken me with someone else, im here to find a Palestinian that is willing to acknowledge the 2 states to 2 nations idea, i'd love to talk to such a person.

And our evil empire is not collapsing, we just finished to train a new kind of sith, riding a NUCLEAR GERMAN SUBMARINE- woot!!

 

See, when you start talking about 'historical owners' all bets are off. Did you have any property deeds in 1947 to prove ownership of Palestinian land?
Furthermore perhaps I might draw your attention to Sabra and Shatila to counter your denial of mass murders?

 

We have property deeds from the days of the Turks, search wiki under Edmond James de Rothschild and youll find tons of boring stuff there, authentic properties still exist btw, search for them too.

If the settelments werent lawful, why did the Turks let them exist?

Sabra and Shatila massacure was not done by Israeli hands it was done by Lebanese on Lebanese during the war, our minister of defense was accused by some that he knew of that paln and didnt stop it, the massacre was recorded so dont try to say Israelies did it,

 

Rocket fire sucks ass. It's no joke.

 

What 'settlements'? We're talking about 2011 not some obscure and irrelevant historical data.
The Zionist cretins currently squatting on Palestinian land are in breach of international law and countless UN resolutions. Do I need to remind you that Israel is a UN member-state and is legally-bound to observe the laws and regulations of the UN?

 

I thought you ment "any" claim,

No, you are right, alot of those are illigal and i hope we can clear most of them and reach an agreemnet about others (althou illigal we need to be realistic about future threats) very soon,
Rabin and Sharon cleared alot in the past, lets reach a long lasting agreement and solve it,

You might say that my gov thinks otherwise, first of all whenever you hear that Israel continues to build in those settelments it doesnt means new settelments are being built, only a new caravan is added within the borders of that settelment, and the gov likes to use this to press the PA into negitiations, everybody knows most of these settelments will be evacuated when (god's willing) we'll have peace, even the right wing.

Sadly, whenever a terrorist strikes you can forget talking about evacuations for several months..., and Hamas knows that.

 

Rabin was murdered by Zionist idiots for his pains. It is no coincidence that the Likudnik Zionists currently ruling the Knesset don't want any peace progress. It's against their manifesto.
I don't hold out any hope for peace until you achieve some moderation in your government, and Zionism becomes one of history's relics.

 

As Hitler learned, you either kill everyone or get out. Even with American backing I don't think his zionist disciples can kill everyone.