More than a dozen Confederate statues vandalized around the country so far in 2019

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  1. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are aware that Union soldiers raped black women slaves in the South.

    General Sherman's soldiers raped and pillaged the countryside during their "march to the sea."

    Joseph Stalin adopted General William Tecumseh Sherman's tactics during WW ll when Soviet soldiers raped and pillaged while they advanced across Europe.
     
  2. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you still haven't explained how you can justify calling a brave woman who freed slaves a "criminal".

    do you think it was immoral and wrong of her to free slaves from human bondage?

    the slaves should have just been happy with their fate and been good little slaves?
     
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  3. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Get one thing perfectly straight: human slavery, especially in the USA, was a ****ing crime against humanity and ALL slaves had the moral and human and natural right to use force (including deadly force) to achieve their freedom!!!

    Anyone helping a slave achieve freedom was a hero. Nothing less.

    Anyone who stood in the way of the letting a slave be free, deserved a bullet.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think you misunderstood me, I am referring to at the time... of course she was a hero as history shows, same with those that helped the Jews escape Hitler even though at the time they woudl of been classified as criminals
     
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  5. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yes, under Nazi law, it was a crime to feed a starving Jew.

    not sure why we should care about such immoral and evil laws.

    just because the Nazis called all Jews "enemies of the state" and all who helped them "criminals", doesn't mean we should adopt their language
     
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  6. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    she fought against slavery, she is a hero

    now Trump is an affirmative actions President, won with millions less votes, but won cause of affirmative action for the smaller states
     
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    Democrats and Republicans, switched platform platforms, ideologies, and members many times in American history. These switches were typically spurred on by major legislative changes and events, such as the Civil War in the 1860’s, and Civil Rights in the 1960’s.

    The Democratic Party used to be favored in the rural south and had a “small government” platform (which southern social conservatives embraced), and the Republican party used to be favored in the 'citied' north and had a “big government” platform (which northern progressive liberals embraced). Today it is the opposite in many respects.

    As the Democratic Party became more progressive in the progressive era, it attracted progressives from the Republican party and alienated the Democrats of the small government socially conservative south. Meanwhile, as the Republican party “conserved” toward Gilded Age politics in the 20th century, and embraced socially conservative single-issue voter groups and individualism, it attracted the “solid south” (their leadership and voter base) and alienated progressives.

    In the 1960's, after the passage of the Civils Rights Act, a strategy was developed by three young Republican advisors. Paul Manafort, Roger Stone and Lee Atwater. The three were instrumental strategists in the campaigns of Richard Nixon, Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan. Essentially the strategy was to increase political support among white voters in the South by appealing to racism against African Americans. Their tactics were controversial, aggressive and just plain 'dirty politics'.
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    Here's a direct quote from Lee Atwater regarding his political strategy;

    Atwater: Y'all don't quote me on this. You start out in 1954 by saying, "******, ******, ******". By 1968 you can't say "******"—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this", is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "******, ******". So, any way you look at it, race is coming on the backbone.

    Just prior to his death from brain cancer at the age of 39, (the same cancer that killed Joe Biden's son and John McCain), Lee Atwater, as he was gravely, he converted to Catholicism and repented. Here's his statement:

    "My illness helped me to see that what was missing in society is what was missing in me: a little heart, a lot of brotherhood. The 1980s were about acquiring – acquiring wealth, power, prestige. I know. I acquired more wealth, power, and prestige than most. But you can acquire all you want and still feel empty. What power wouldn't I trade for a little more time with my family? What price wouldn't I pay for an evening with friends? It took a deadly illness to put me eye to eye with that truth, but it is a truth that the country, caught up in its ruthless ambitions and moral decay, can learn on my dime. I don't know who will lead us through the '90s, but they must be made to speak to this spiritual vacuum at the heart of American society, this tumor of the soul."

    It seems we have learned very little in this country since the death of Lee Atwater.
     
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  8. APACHERAT

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    At the time aiding or abetting escaped slaves was a crime.

    They use to hang horse thieves.

    Today in the totalitarian state of California assault and battery with a deadly weapon is no longer a violent crime.
     
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    There was a time in this nation's history when people would have lynched for this kind of hooliganism.
     
  10. Ronstar

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    I guess since Washington was a traitor and a criminal according to the British, we shouldn't have him on the $1 Bill huh?

    :p
     
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    so we should say Hitler thought she was a hero? he didn't, he thought she was a criminal...

    the point is, Germany thought of them as a criminals at the time, but they were a heroes

    it's the only way to tell the history and make the comparison
     
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    Harriet Tubman is considered a hero TODAY, and that's all that should matter.

    Otherwise take Thomas Jefferson off the $20 Bill cause he was a "traitor" to the British Crown.
     
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    but we should not forget she was wrongly considered a criminal at the time by the government - the fact she risked her life to save others from slavery is what makes her a hero
     
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  14. Ronstar

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    yes, we should acknowledge that racist inhuman scum considered her a so-called "criminal" for daring to free human beings from bondage
     
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    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Vigilantism is what tamed and won the West.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    no, genocide and ethnic cleansing did that
     
  17. FreshAir

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    yep, it was a stain on America's history for sure
     
  18. Ronstar

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    I still cant get over writing "all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; being Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"....and yet we allowed slavery for 90 more years.

    seems like our nation was born into hypocrisy.
     
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    well sadly to many their bible supported slavery, so they thought they had a God given right to own slaves
     
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    disgusting, immoral and evil.
     
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    Just knock down a MLK statue every time this is done. Show them what it's like.
     
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    except MLK didn't fight to keep humans in bondage

    funny how you dont get that
     
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    lets take a look....


    Well whatyaknow... only 3

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    Our founding fathers were considered criminals. Unlike the easily outraged, I have no issue with Tubman on my 20s.
     
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    Father Serra was a pedophile? What are you talking about? Nevermind. :roll:
     

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