Morocco Has Fired Up the World’s Largest Solar Power Plant!

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  1. AFM

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    Ford acted to reduce the overall cost of labor. That is completely rational and economically sound for the conditions of the time.

    Unions acting to artificially increase the cost of labor reduces the number of jobs in unionized industries. Those employed benefit but those who lose their jobs and consumers who pay higher prices suffer economic damage. Econ 101.
     
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    Ford acted to increase productivity of his work force in the economic environment of the time. This is completely rational.
     
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    Actually you are saying that they are worthless because corporations are replacing hardworking Americans with cheaper labor in other nations.
    In other words it was cost effective to keep trained workers by paying them more than to hire untrained workers and train them.
    Are you denying that they purchased his vehicles?
     
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    The Republican War ON America that DEREGULATED the Wall Street Casino making it possible to set up lending banks to pull off their predatory mortgage loan scam.
     
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    Thank you for conceding my point that trained workers are valuable and therefore worth being paid more by corporations.
     
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    Inane strawman fallacy!
     
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    From your questions it is obvious that you don't know anything at all about this topic!
     
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    Wrong on both counts.

    Ford understood that it was cost/effective to pay higher wages to retain trained workers and that applies today just as it did then.

    Regurgitating extremist alt right disinformation about unions just exposes gullibility.
     
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    Thank you for tacitly admitting that massive layoffs of trained workers by corporations is irrational.
     
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    Nothing on Glass Steagal.
     
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    Nothing on right to work states.
     
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    Nothing on productivity.
     
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    Nothing on productivity again. Econ 101.
     
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    Ironic!
     
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    Understanding of productivity and the fact that raising prices reduces consumption is basic to Econ 101. Nothing is ironic about that. The arguments by the left on economic growth without that fundamental understanding is ironic.
     
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    I've said nothing of the sort and of the 15,000,000 Model T's he made how many did they buy? Are you denying what I posted?
     
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    I think you git the wrong lable on it then.
     
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    I had nothing to concede but glad you learned the reason why.
     
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    AND to reduce cost, the poster was correct.
     
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    Ahhh.............shutdown

    The Best-Laid Energy Plans
    The feds bet $737 million on a salt tower for solar power. You’ll never guess the result.

    The Department of Energy sent a formal default notice in September. Weeks later Crescent Dunes’ sole customer, NV Energy, terminated its power purchase agreement. The plant has no prospective clients and couldn’t supply energy even if it found a buyer.
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-best-laid-energy-plans-11579219416?mod=opinion_lead_pos1

    Suggest you not get so snarky Montegriffo else you might look foolish in the end.

    Next...
     
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    So, you found a business that failed as a means of proving that a success can't be duplicated???

    Really?

    Can you think of ANY successful technology where there were no failures at the start?

    My understanding is that a tank rupture caused the plant to be closed for a repair period earlier this year. The sole client then canceled their contract for lack of production and switched to another solar power facility.

    The idea of having only one customer for a product that is a commodity is obviously highly risky.

    Suggesting this demonstrates that solar power isn't competitive is ridiculous.
     
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    This is a constant.

    Grocery stores replace workers with self serve checout stands. Automakers hire robots and fire humans. Energy companies fire coal and hire clean energy. Fast food goes automated. Home delivery means people don't have to go to stores or restaurants, lowering labor requirements.

    All these are great decisions for the benefit of the corporate owners.

    None of them are good for workers looking for long term employment that will support a middle class life for their families.

    We know the what and why of these decisions from the corporate perspective.

    The question becomes what happens to middle class life in America. We've already gotten to the point where a two parent family usually must have both parents working - while they introduce themselves to the kids on weekends.
     
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    We may have to subsidize families as Hungary has done.
     
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    I'm not sure what Hunary's approach is.

    But, we do subsidize many working families due to their low income.
     
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    It’s called the “Family Protection Action Plan”.
     
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