Moscow comes under massive drone attack.

It didn't look too massive to me. I saw a couple of smoke clouds, but that was it with no one killed.

Have we figured out whether or not this was a false flag operation? Putin attacked his own assets and claimed it was the Ukrainians not long ago.

 

Yup...

 

I am not saying that you are supportive of Russia. I thought that I explained how I interpreted you post. I said that some people view that Ukraine should not respond across the Russian border.

Read my second sentence. “No I did not pull it out of my butt. Ok I did reread it and now I assume that you are saying the Belograd incidents were before this incident. The big issue is thatUkraine has the right to strike back but Putin and some people think that the fight needs to stop at the border. If Putin did not cross the border with his invasions we would not be talking about the Belograd incidents vs Moscov incidents.”

 

This is a pretty unique war so far, with the invader striking civilians at its leisure with long-range weapons while the defender focuses on attacking and defending against the invader's invading and occupying forces despite the two being neighboring countries. Other scenarios like this have involved WWII style back-and-forth warfare that hasn't spared the civilian population on either side. It's like a one-way total war with a limited warfare response from the other side. It does not seem sustainable for the defender to be bombed to rubble bit by bit while the attacker's infrastructure is largely left alone. It wears down Ukraine's ability to mount a defense and to even function as a state while Russia suffers no such attrition, and it's a rule being imposed on Ukraine by those supplying vital military aid.

Can Ukraine win this way? What does victory actually look like in this scenario? As long as the invader does not lose the will or the ability to continue the fight, it remains a matter of time until Ukraine is simply unable to continue to function and defend itself, seems to me. They would need much more effective defensive capabilities to maintain their civilian infrastructure and prevent civilian deaths and destruction of non-military assets in order for this to be remotely sustainable.

 

Hmmm....why be stingy with the sanctions then....go all in and cripple them once and for all.

 

Ukraine should've made a thunder run, and snuck in partisans who would infiltrate moscow and assassinate putin by defenestration.

I have no issue with them crossing into Russian territory for the express purpose of removing the current Russian Fed government.
Putin ****ed around, he's now perfectly legitimate as a target.

 

Yes love the “defenestration” which would be karma for his killing dissidents and those who he cannot control.

 

I do fear an escalation of the war beyond a defensive war. If the Ukrainians aim at Putin, Putin will claim(whether true or not, doesn't matter) that it's at the behest of the Americans and that will change their calculus accordingly.

Ukraine needs to push the Russians back to internationally recognized borders, and have a peace settlement from there.

 

True....

Nothing stopping the Russkis from shelling Ukrainian territory from RF territory....making rebuilding difficult.

 

Dude they've ALREADY targeted Putin. He didn't do **** about it. They've already crossed into territory russia claimed they'd go nuclear over. They haven't.
Poles jumped in, yet another red line that went unanswered.

The nukes haven't been inspected independently in quite some time. I don't think they exist anymore.