Moscow issues mass grave construction guide as troop losses top 700 000 KIA..

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Well this is quickly feeling like a child's game of "Think up a quick retort from scratch". I think I stopped enjoying it somewhere around 9 years old. I can still play though......Russia's offers were quite generous....your turn (sigh).

 

What was Z's offers?....besides

1) complete demilitarized
2) kill Zelensky
3)RuZzia keeps invaded territories
4) forced Russification
5) no NATO/EU
6)blueprint for further aggression soon after capitulation
7) attack other states

Rinse....repeat.

 

1) shooting stops
2) peace
3) no more killing
4) Zelensky lives
5) Ukraine keeps existing as a state of ethnic Ukrainians
6) EU membership but no NATO membership
7) blueprint for existence

Shampoo....conditioner.

Yeah I can just post whatever pops into my head too.

 

Russia has no legitimate role of any kind in Ukraine.

 

Agreed. Its just like Ukraine has no legitimate role of any kind in Donbas or Crimea. Glad we got that settled.

 

No goalposts have been moved, but the silliness of your claims has been exposed.

 

Crimea was ceded to Ukraine in 1956. Donbas has always been part of Ukraine. Russia has no legitimate claim on either.

 

The silliness continues.

 

^ Not a real professor.

 

Russia seems to regard them (and a lot of other Ukrainians) that way. Considering what the USSR did to the Crimean Tatars, that's nothing new, sadly.

 

As you wish.

 

Initially Russia did have a plan, which included cutting Ukraine military to 50K men, getting rid of all mid and long range missiles, officially give up any claims for Crimea, Sevastopol, Donetsk and Luhansk and also pay for rebuilding Donbas area. It also included permanent neutrality and all kinds of other absurd demands which no one with half a brain would accept. In return they promised only cease fire, and nothing else.

Muscovites get cranky this time of the year, because it's dark and cold. Looks like below freezing already. Consumption of vodka skyrockets.

 

Even the far-away Japanese know better than that, tovarisch.

 

You ask stupid questions.

 

I watched, and would like to continue to watch, knowing it was a propaganda arm. .

 

Ceded by a legitimate government?

 

I think you're mistaken. The American government effectively shut RT down at the outset of the Ukraine conflict.

Regardless of whether the intent of RT was for propaganda, RT never seemed to be very propaganda heavy until the immediate lead up to the Ukraine conflict.
Before then it was almost difficult to even identify anything that was propaganda, besides covering some Russian perspectives on the NATO defense shield, and glorifying alleged Russian military technological innovations (both of which don't really seem like "heavy propaganda" to me).

 

But if I consider what the USSR did to the Crimean Tatars, I then start to question the legitimacy of other decisions made by the same government, about the same territory, a few years later, like when it ceded Crimea to Ukraine.

 

Don't you mean Russia, not the USSR?
I think you need to be more careful and specific with your words.

Much of that had already happened before the Communists took power, so it's not clear what you're referring to.

 

Well, its not like those who think Crimea just magically belongs to Ukraine will ever see a difference between Russia and the USSR, is it?

 

The poster said the USSR did something to the Crimean Tatars. I assume they meant the deportations of the mid-1940's. What else did the USSR do to them? That same totalitarian government ceded Crimea to Ukraine a decade later. What primarily influenced Khrushchev in making that decision?

 

Because at the time, it was more of a symbol than a meaningful political act.
Ukraine was part of the USSR and effectively ruled by the Russian Soviets, and they did not imagine that situation would change anytime soon.
Like so many other things under Communism, this was about official appearances. It's just in this case, that change in official designation ended up having actual big political implications 37 years later (or 60 years, counting when tensions between Russia and Ukraine over the territory began escalating).

 

Ceded by the Soviet Union.

 

It is still available.