Mossad recruited top Iranian scientists to blow up key nuclear facility

Yes you did .. you were asking for proof that Reagan supported Iraq .. If you knew we were allied with Saddam in the war .. why would you ask such a thing .

Which is it .. did you not know we were allied with Iraq ? or were you pretending not to know - in some bizzare dance of denial ?

 

Logically, Iran is too.

 

Trump in Prison.

 

Iran's nuclear facilities stuck deep underground.

 

OH yeah .. plenty . derogatory names for all the scum buckets.

You having trouble figuring out that Rotten Ronnie was Rotten ? and henchman Daddy Bush -- which is not derogatory .. just distinguishing between Daddy and Son .. .. perhaps you were unaware that there were 2 Bush's in office.

You figured out what your position is yet .. "Do as we say -Not as we do" was where you were hovering --- but seems you don't stand for anything .. or just don't want to .. Supposed on has to hold that position to be a Idol of Rotten Ronnie .. and demon Bush.. dirty deeds through and through..

What .. you don't want to stand up ? defend your idols .. just cry ... ohhhh .. ohhhh you you .. you must love Putin .. heh heh heh

 

So? US and Israel are the real threats.

 

US policy during the Iran-Iraq war was Machiavellian initially, with the US playing both sides against one another. The US, however, tilted dramatically on the side of Iraq after 1986, assisting Iraq in many ways that only the US could, while leaving the supply of advanced weapons mainly (besides the USSR) to the French (who had long standing relations with Saddam). That support consisted of using its diplomatic sway and media resources (planting bogus stories to create a false impression that 'both sides are doing it') to shield Iraq from criticism for its repeated use of chemical weapons -- weapons that were critical in allowing Iraq to withstand Iranian offensives. But its most significant assistance to Iraq was two-fold: giving Iraq precise battlefield information, implicitly even coordinating Iraqi chemical attacks against Iranian troop formations, while at the same time, confronting Iran's attempts to stop the flow of hundreds of billions of dollars into the Iraqi war machine by the naval armada it assembled and led in the Persian Gulf.

While I think the US policy in essentially giving a green light to Iraq to use chemical weapons against Iran was a moral outrage, and criminal, the truth is that the biggest crimes the US has committed against Iran (in the sense of these crimes not being really reactive but actually following a foreign policy blue print by others) has been what the US has done towards Iran the past two decades. Just as the "death to America" slogans were beginning to lose their resonance in Iran, and as Iran was becoming a status quo power, the US (under neocon/Israeli) influence began trying to radically alter the geopolitical map in the region, committing directly and being an accomplice to crimes the likes of which only Stalin and Hitler can compete with. Most Americans don't care, even if in the process, their own political system has been hijacked and hopelessly corrupted too.

 

The pattern of course is there are few nick names for the enemies
of the West - Uncle Joe (Stalin) Uncle Mao and Uncle Ho (Chi Minh)
come to mind.
These people can kill a million, even a billion people, BUT there's
still those five hurt when a missile hit some ISIS guy. See the ethical
and intellectual problem? It's as if the Left is SEARCHING for something,
anything, to create some moral equivalency with its own monsters.

 

Yeah, Ireland is a terrorist state. It's terrorists had quite a claim to fame.
Come to think of, I don't know of any nation that ISN'T a terrorist state -
it's all down to how you define the term. End result - portray your own
society as the real terrorists, and the bus bombers and plane hijackers
as some kind of freedom fighters ---- against Western terrorism.

 

1) Apparently we did .. See Support for and allied with Saddam during and after there use .. and not just once.
2) this is not about Russia .. they were not supporting a Regime using chemical weapons .. but even if they were . The conversation is about Rotten Ronnie .. and our support for Chemical Man - not about Russia .. and their dirty deeds .. or is it . you figure that if Russia can do it .. we should too .. not that they did .. but .. just saying .. you know .. if they had engaged in the use of chemical weapons .. like Rotten Ronnie via proxy - against Iran... yeah .. thats a tough one .. aahahhahahah aahahahaha ahahahhahaha .. Novochok .. What a mind bending path of self deception . desperate to maintain that necessary illusion .. right Pooh .. .. were the Good Guys no .. Better than those evil Russians .. nasty Iranians .. So much less chaos around the world than those guys .. thats it .. Commies ..

 

What is it that you did not say or infer ? .. or were you trying to say .." I didn't use those exact words" .. in some laughable game of self deception .. sthat it Dayton .. out of material . no more ability to defend Ronald .. your hero . .. necessary illusion not working out ?

 

Why are you yammering on about the left's ethical problems .. this is not about Ho Chi Min .. nor Stalin. This is about policy going forward .. what prededent we will set for the Ho Chi Min's of the world today .. Whether or not we should be engaging sending Drones into Sovereign nations .. doing targeted assassination.

So .. what is your position .. for at least time 10 .. Should this be OK .. you OK with China sending drone into Taiwan .. dealing with those "bad guys" .. or .. should it be like bio-weapons .. "We don't do it - You don't do it"

What is your P-O-S-I-T-I-O-N ? Do you stand for something .. or not ?

 

While I wish we would focus on the most recent, and germane, crimes being committed by the US against Iran, this piece will hopefully educate those who imagine the US had nothing to do with Iraqi chemical attacks against Iran. And what happened with the operation referred in 1988, was happening throughout the 1985-88 period.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/2...rove-america-helped-saddam-as-he-gassed-iran/
Exclusive: CIA Files Prove America Helped Saddam as He Gassed Iran
The U.S. knew Hussein was launching some of the worst chemical attacks in history -- and still gave him a hand.

 

If the US is the threat, let it Unleash canned sunshine on Islamic theocracies, right?

 

Theocracy does not bother me.

 

Yes, I stand for Western values. If someone wants to destroy these values then
they will be treated as an enemy - this is war, not just of the traditional tanks and
trench type of war.

 

OK .. how does Western Values impact your position .. you still have not stated your position on the use of drones for targeted assassination. - against a soverign nation that we are not at war with.

:"This is War" -- NO .. it isn't .. we are not talking about rules of engagement when at war - How is it you have yet to have figured this out ? of course you have .. this is just more diversion from stating your position.

YES? or "NO" .. Should Russia be able to target leaders in Ukraine using drones- "bad guys" and not hear a peep out of the West ..

 

To try to downplay this crime is disgusting.

While the death toll from Iraqi use chemical weapons against Iran was around 5,000, there were more than 100,000 Iranian victims from those attacks whose lives were often scarred permanently. There are still tens of thousands of Iranians who never fully recovered from those chemical attacks, many still using respirators to just breathe.

https://www.science.org/content/art...iran-s-chemical-weapons-victims-time-runs-out
Seeking answers for Iran's chemical weapons victims—before time runs out
Three decades after Iraq unleashed chemical weapons on Iran, scientists there are unraveling the long-term effects

 

So .. in this fictitous war you have going on in your head.. due to continuous injections of state sponsored koolaid - where "Al Qaeda"/ISIS is the "enemy" waging this big war on the US .. cept since 911 .. been nuthing .. was a group of religious nutters .. none of which are alive and have no relation to Al Qaeda/ISIS today .. other than shared religious - idiological belief. and further ... Al Qaeda/ISIS are our Friends now ..along with mother El Saud .. used them as our proxy army in two wars over most of the last decade ..

So . who are these people we are fighting ? were is this big war .. and what does this have to do with killing innocent civilians in Syria .. a sovereign nation .. would it be ok if this "Bad Guy" were in Greece .. send in the Drone ... helfire missiles

Or is Syria just a convenient testing range .. such a joke "Do as we say - Not as we do" This is your position

Western Values .. ?? What values are you friggen talking about -- Rule of Law .. International law - Right ..what a joke.

OK .. so this is your position "Do as we say .. not as we do" is this correct ?

 

The point was that the US is the biggest spreader of terrorism and not Iran. And you've just dropped the point and moved on with a dumb excuse of why. Your excuse is not even true. The entire thing of installing the Shah had to do with oil and not the cold war. The cat has been out of the bag for decades. So it's just dumb to think you can rewrite history at this point with lies.

 

Ah. You're going personal and dropping my argument that you can't contest.
Got it.

 

Again .. another thread that shows western values vs those here who support Islamo Jihado propaganda

 

No one ignored the oil, including the Soviets who wanted it for themselves. Keeping Iran out of the Soviet orbit was a major objective, as was strengthening barriers against the USSR by bringing Iran into the western alliance system. Enough time has now passed that we are seeing history research that's not part of anyone's propaganda effort.

The Last Shah
America, Iran, and the Fall of the Pahlavi Dynasty
Last Shah | Yale University Press
https://yalebooks.yale.edu › book › last-shah

Jan 26, 2021 — Ray Takeyh is the Hasib J. Sabbagh Senior Fellow for Middle East studies at the Council on Foreign Relations and a former State Department ...

 

There is no sovjet connection. Just the US and UK having a problem with their assets in Iran being nationalized. Your link doesn't show how you are right either. It's an old fake narrative to claim that the elected president was a communist. The guy was left, as in labor. He actually successfully campaigned against the communists who didn't win a single seat. So it's just ignorant to lump them all together / a stupid excuse. The original point also stands that it's not Iran but the US who is the biggest sponsor of terrorism.

 

You, really, really, should stop reading the ridiculous things being uttered by the Israelis. No one with a clue, not even in the Israeli defense establishment, is taking all the propaganda and bravado seriously!

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...ike-on-iran-nuke-sites-not-so-fast-1.10454480
Israeli Strike on Iran Nuke Sites? Not So Fast
‘I nearly stopped reading the newspapers,’ says one top Israeli defense official who’s in despair about the gap between the Iran headlines and reality