Most Blacks favor removal of slave holding Presidential statues

I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but I admit, I'm a bit surprised.

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/k05rp8ded6/econTabReport.pdf

 

I don't see where it breaks it down by race. But I think we should just get rid of all statues. Statues are weird, creepy, pointless. They dont teach you anything. Lets get rid of them all.

 

What's next? Removing statues of people who opposed abortion or who didn't believe in man made climate change? This statue removal business could become the next big thing. I cried when the Taliban destroyed the ancient Buddha statues in Afghanistan but now I see why they did it.

 

The percentage of Blacks who are in favor of getting rid of all Presidential statutes is highlighted in the chart (53%).

It's weird that you want to get rid of "all statues." Where did that come from? Have you always wanted to abolish all statues or did this revelation come about recently?

 

Well I haven't really thought too deeply about statues until recently. So when I formed an opinion, yes I think we should get rid of all public statues.

One, they are weird and creepy. Like a frozen dead person. Even if you admired a person, why would you want to look at some frozen medium.

Two. If someone asked a mentally healthy person if they wanted a giant statue of themself in the town square, they would say no. So we are either celebrating egomaniacs or doing something that the people themselves would disapprove of.

Three. They are pointless. They teach you nothing. I think we should replace statues with little free libraries about the topic.

Four. They obviously cause problems. How many statues get torn down across they world all the time? Morals change and we should embrace the future. Statue represents being frozen in time.

Statues belong in museums. Not paid for by the public and displayed for in public. Imagine being black and knowing that some of your tax paid for a statue of a slave owner or someone who fought to keep blacks enslaved? Mt. Rushmore has two slave owners and two war criminals on it.

 

Funny, but Barack Obama was just fine with those two slave owners and two war criminals when HE stood before Mount Rushmore and politicized for the Left . . . and back then our leftists . . . cheered. So it's situational, eh?

 

So you had no opinion on statues until recently.

Heh!

So you would be in favor of getting rid of the statue of Martin Luther King Jr on the Washington Mall?



Dynamite, sledgehammers, or what? After all, our morals will change in the future and his ideas to the future may seem absurd, or immoral. Right?

 

Yeah. Get rid of it. Put it in a museum or sell it to someone privately. You can do the same with the Confederate ones. Do you think MLK wanted statues of himself everywhere?! No humble Christian like him would want that.

Also MLK had plenty of less than moral ideas and morals. He was a good person but he wasn't a perfect person. I say no to all statues of men displayed or paid for by the public.

 

No. I'm against those stupid thing whether Obama or Trump went there. I lived right next to Rushmore last summer before all this hoopla. I had to drive past it every time I went to town to go grocery shopping and not a single time did I not think "that thing is stupid and ugly"

Destroying a beautiful mountain to put up ugly faces is terrible. Obama is an ******* for endorsing Rushmore.

So it's not situational.

 

It is blatantly situational for the Dem Party and this is a political discussions forum.

 

OK. Your opinion on the destruction of the MLK memorial is noted,

 

I didnt say destruction. Stop arguing with pretend people. I specifically said that it should be in a museum or private hands. Put a book about MLK in its place.

Care to respond to what is wrong with that idea?

 

OK, to correct, you said, "get rid of it,"

There. I've noted your opinion. As to what's wrong with it, I'm sure you could make an argument, and one that I would listen to, about any new proposed monuments or statues in the public square. However we're talking about pre-existing ones; ones that people have already come together to fund and erect. Ones that at least in the fairly recent past, we had a consensus that these were people who should be honored and noted.

So you don't like MLK and think he "had plenty of less than moral ideas and morals." Fair enough but that's true of all humans. Statues are not put up for people because we think they are without flaw, but because they achieved some sort of greatness through deed or action that we want to remember and commemorate.

And as you said, you "haven't really thought too deeply about statues until recently;" no doubt until the past month, which to me, makes this simply a partisan issue that you're trying to disguise as a carefully thought out position, when in fact it isn't; it's purely reactive.

 

I'm not surprised. White schools has gotten very bad with teaching American History. Black majority schools most likely dont teach it or dont have much positive to say about our founders.

Our citizens dont know the significance of these people who laid th he way for our success and opportunity.

I actually was pretty down today....being as how it is Independece Day, I went looking for a history documentary on the revolutionary war, or our early presidents..especially George Washington on tv....regular tv, streaming, netflix. None to be found.

 

I didn't say I didn't like MLK, you dummy. Saying that someone is flawed and the point that you completely ignored, probably wouldn't have wanted statues of himself, isn't saying that I don't like someone.

Do you always argue like this? Just inserting stuff into the other persons text. Collect your thoughts, reply to what I wrote and we can have a productive conversation.

If you are going to go "you want to blow up MLKs statues cause you hate him" then I can't really talk to you.

And it's not partisan. I'm not left wing. But you can imagine what you want. The reason I didn't have a strong opinion on statues before was probably that I never really thought about it until it was presented to me on this forum. Its not really that important of an issue.

 

Of course most black folks would be against slave owners. And Dr. King was a preacher that practiced non violence. History should be remembered and these statues should be preserved. Maybe a plaque that tells the world he was a slaveholder or whatever.

 

I favor removal from history anything to do with race pimps Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton. If we're going to be fair let's be fair.

 

I'm not in favor of them having statues.

 

Yes, and please don't name any streets or bridges after them.

 

Interesting. I was kind of down today as well. Today has all the markings of our final independence day. 2020 proves the folly of trying to predict the future, but if the past few weeks is an example of how quickly this nation can fling itself apart, it's hard to imagine one being here this time next year.

So I watched 'Shane.'

 

I didn't make up your opinion of a MLK statue. This is literally what you said about it:

If this is a topic that isn't important to you I've no idea why you are in this thread stating to get rid of the MLK statue.

 

Well, why should they feel any appreciation for historical figures that didn't fight for, didn't accept, didn't respect, and didn't assume as natural, that black people ought to be included among those people who were endowed with certain unalienable rights?

If those historical figures thought of them as barely human, and not part of America as anything other than property, it is only natural to expect that their heroes are going to be those who do accept that they are, and should be, treated as equal citzens.

 

I am not African American.

I would not visit Kiev. Khmelnytsky massacred Jews:


This is how African Americans and Native Americans feel about George Washington.

This is how some people in Russia feel about Mongol Khans and their monuments.

 

Thank G-d, there are no statutes of Nazi leaders and generals.

 

I am proud of my great-grandparents. They were a part of the government which renamed Petrograd, Yekaterinburg, etc.