Most illegal immigrants in US receive government benefits, costing taxpayers billions

yes

irrelevant

meaningless opinion

it's already been ruled on. Wong Kim Ark and further solidified in Plyler v Doe.

 

Which country are you posting from?

 

It says that if they are under U.S. jurisdiction they are a citizen. If a baby is sent back with its parents, it's not under U.S. jurisdiction anymore.

The Fourteenth Amendment doesn't necessarily give them the same type of automatic permanent citizenship other citizens have.

 

also irrelevant

But The USA

 

jurisdiction applies at time of birth. The child can not be deported or forcibly removed by the government or prevented from reentry by the government. It is a US citizen upon birth.

it specifically does just that. There are only 2 types of citizen. Natural born or Naturalized. That's it.

 

Ok

You may pass

 

My math is straight on, at; he was elected to serve us all.

 

If the law were changed to deny them citizenship, but require that they be treated as citizens, in all respects, while they were in the U.S., then I believe that would be entirely Constitutional. It could still constitute a crime for them to enter the U.S. without permission ,from another country, even though in a theoretic Constitutional sense they might be citizens again immediately upon reentering the country.

I believe they should have to at least spend a couple of years in the country (with the government allowing it, whether explicitly or defacto) before they can be considered citizens.

No, there is no reason to think the Fourteenth Amendment grants citizenship in the same way that other residents have citizenship.

 

Yes, birthright citizenship is settled law. Those who don't like it are just in a state of denial if they disagree.

 

That's not what the Fourteenth Amendment says, is it?

Besides, some interrpretations of the Fourteenth Amendment would not consider the baby under "U.S. jurisdiction" if both the parents were fugitives from the law, being there without the government knowing about it.
Immediate deportation to the country of citizenship is not necessarily U.S. jurisdiction, as what was meant to be implied by that Amendment.

 

The baby could still be sent back with its parents.

 

go after the employers like Trump's businesses and illegal problem solved, make it a 10 year mandatory sentence to knowingly hire an illegal

republicans will never pass a law like this, they do not really want to solve this problem, they like the cheap labor

 

If the 14th is interrpretted in a more generalized sense, that's not automatically necessarily the case.

If interrpretted in the most literal sense, it's only a citizen while under U.S. jurisdiction.

 

The point was that birth certificates often did not exist back then, so it was talking about a general group of people, not specific individual persons.
Everyone knew African Americans had been living there for generations and there was no question as to whether they were under U.S. jurisdiction.

There was usually no way to determine and verify whether any specific African American had actually been born in the country around the time after the Fourteenth Amendment was passed. It was assumed so, in a general sense, because they were living there, and their parents had been living there.
People did not travel as much back then.

 

I just asked, a simple no would suffice.

 

An incomplete wall is just ignorant.

 

A wall is not going to stop illegals from coming into the country.

 

We got it........you are for open borders........most Americans are not . But thanks for your input

 

Only the GOP who do not work with Dems are for 'open borders.' The wall is a colossal boondoggle: too expensive, too useless, and too not what we need.

GOP, join the Dems, and work for sensible border security.

 

You mean not what the Democratic Party needs.

Need those illegal aliens and Mexico sending its poor. How else are you going to tip the balance of power, since you don't have reason on your side.

Got to "Fundamentally Transform America".

 

That's a good one. Since when have the Dems been for sensible border security?
Just look what's going on in California.

Even the GOP hasn't been for sensible border security in the past.

 

Oh, then why does Saudi Arabia have a wall on its border with Iraq and Yemen?
Why does Mexico have a wall on its Southern border?
Why did the Soviets build the Berlin wall?

 

Why? Because those walls are boondoggles to enrich the builders, grift the politicians, and they don’t work.

Why are the GOP against border security?

 

Was the Great Wall of China also a boondoggle?

 

The Great Wall of China was a great boondoggle, a tax and job nightmare for the peasantry, and did not stop any illegal hordes of immigrants. The threat had gone away a century earlier.