Most of the world neutral on Russia-Ukraine war

Israel is standing down on the Russia-Ukraine Matter. In fact, they have no choice, but to play third party. Biden has capitulated to Iran, and Russia has taken advantage of the situation given its dominance over Syria. Israel needs Russia to allow Israel the ability to fly into Syria if there's a threat from an Iranian mobile attack unit. Given Biden's massive blunder in the Middle East, America is left without any allies aside for Israel, but Biden and Kerry not reliable. The Saudis are more reliable at this point. That's just the reality of the situation when I talk to Israelis. They're even saying the same sort of things on I24 between the pro-America propaganda. Everyone can see the US is not in a strong economic position, and that's very attractive for many developing nations like India, China, Brazil, etc.

The idea that the Russians are any less credible than the US is both true and false. I know the US has been doing some corrupt BS in Ukraine, because our President is exhibit A. That's why he was dangerous. The fact that his son was also doing business in China makes the situation more compromising as its ally of Russia. The fact that Biden shared intelligence with them like they were our allies should confound everyone. Biden made a deal with Iran, and they entered the war by firing missiles at a US base in Iraq. That's the world we live in right now.

Even with the poor invasion performance, it's ridiculous to think the Russia can't win in Ukraine. Absurd. Ukraine is the country that cannot win, and Zelensky knows it, so he's desperate for an no-fly zone. Russians are consistently taking out the supply lines and depots, and disallowing a reorganization of troops to fallback positions during negotiations or evacuations. Russians are going to hit civilian targets if they think there's weapons. This isn't Israel. You can't shame Russia into a military blunder.

I think the major factor is the economy. Russia prepared their economy for a war with the US. They made all the adjustments to shelter their economy from sanctions. Honestly, the strategy would have been great if their army was accustomed to fighting a well-trained modern army as opposed to Steppe Hillbillies and ME Cousin F-ers.

 

I don't want to get in the middle of your pissing contest, but you are confusing short term "effectiveness" to damage Russia's economy, with effectiveness in accomplishing the policy objectives behind these sanctions. The former, in the short-term, is a given. The latter seems unlikely and, in the medium term, Russia will likely learn to ride the sanctions with alternatives and even benefit from it.

 

Sanctions are economic. According to some reports a plot to eliminate Putin is already underway, so yes, they are effective in what they are designed to do: Cause economic pain, which causes people to turn against their leadership.

 

It happens because some countries don't care about victims of war in another distant country. They love their cheap gas and oil from dictator Pootin's shithole "Russia". They even don't care about environmental problems like global warming.

Criminal misanthropes like Towarishch Pootin succeed because others also benefit from their crimes. Within the mafia and similar organizations, this rule is well known.

 

But most of them die on the battlefield for an unsympathetic dictator who only savors his power over life and death. He lied to them that Nazis do rule Ukraine. These poor Russkies are like WW2 Wehrmacht soldiers who believed Hitler's lies about a Jewish world conspiracy.

 

It causes greater polarization, weakening the leadership in certain ways and strengthening it in other ways. In the case of Iran, the biggest casualty of sanctions politically were "moderates": a minority, especially steered by those funded and sponsored by foreign powers, became more radical in their opposition, while a majority moved in the opposite direction supporting their leadership even more.

 

Barely 3 weeks into this $hitshow and almost 300k job losses in Russia.....from what I'm hearing anyway....and sanctions haven't taken full effect yet.

By years end....you could expect millions Russians at the EU borders looking for a way out.

 

Yes, but I am not sure if they will be allowed to leave.

 

For those who don't trust my account of sanctions on public opinion, here is how it worked in Iran's case:
https://cissm.umd.edu/research-impact/publications/iranian-public-opinion-under-maximum-pressure
Iranian Public Opinion under
 'Maximum Pressure'

You can see the actual poll questions and responses HERE.

 

Maybe not....I guess they'll starve?

 

I read there are now Russians camping out in Mexico at the US border, while Ukrainians are being let in to apply for asylum.

Stuck at Mexico border, anti-war Russians sweat their futures as Ukrainians enter U.S.
https://www.reuters.com/world/stuck...their-futures-ukrainians-enter-us-2022-03-19/
TIJUANA, Mexico, March 19 (Reuters) - Russians trying to enter the United States at the Mexican border are frustrated they are not getting in like Ukrainians are, despite leaving their homeland over the invasion of Ukraine.

Read more in link.

 

Interesting read....exodus is starting...not just into Europe....but here as well.

 

Maybe they qualify for asylum, because you can go to prison for 15 yrs in Russia for being critical of the government / the war (as per Putin's new "fake news" law), and these people left Russia in protest, so they can't return,

Russian ‘fake news’ law could give offenders 15 years in prison
A punishment for statements that ‘discredited’ the military
https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/4/2...ilitary-ukraine-invasion-casualties-jail-time

Russian president Vladimir Putin has signed a law punishing “fake news” with up to 15 years in prison. The rule will impose fines or jail terms for spreading false information about the military, as well as fines for people who publicly call for sanctions against Russia. Courts would mete out the harshest sentences for fake news that leads to “serious consequences.”

According to earlier coverage from The Moscow Times, the bill is meant to penalize people who knowingly “distort the purpose, role and tasks of the Russian Armed Forces, as well as other units during special military and other operations,” including people who spread unapproved information about Russian war losses.

 

Yeah...I've read that also....seems like desperation on Vladolfs end.

 

Wow, German PPI jumped 25.9% year-on-year in February. This is Biden's fault of course.

Germany inflation jumps by highest amount in more than 70 years
14:20 , Bradley Gerrard
Germany appears to be facing a stark cost-of-living crisis after a measure of inflation spiked by a quater in the past year - the most since just after the Second World War.

German PPI jumped 25.9% year-on-year in February, the highest increase ever since the start of the stats in 1949.

Commentators noted that the full effect of energy price inflation due to the war in Ukraine had not yet stopped, and would therefore mean that even higher prices could be expected in the country.

As Deutsche Bank analysts stated: “This is the highest since the aftermath of WWII and on par with the highest peacetime levels on record. This time last year it was still just under 2%!”

 

Well, at least refugees from Ukraine can LEGITIMATELY claim asylum if they come to the borders of the United States -- unlike the endless, teeming mobs of Central American peasants, Latino criminals, and god-knows-what that continually swarm our border with Mexico!

. "Yeh, but how do we KNOW that these Ukrainians would vote for Democrats...?"

 

Ukrainians are of western, caucasian descent.
White supremacists usually don't deny them to be real Aryans since they're not black, nor Hispanic nor Muslim.

 

Oh, now we have to inject RACISM into the discussion...? I was talking pointedly about the LEGITIMACY of genuine refugees applying for asylum, Pitbull, and you might agree that having the whole damned Russian military trying to KILL YOU just might constitute a legitimate claim for asylum in the United States... right...?

Contrast that with a bunch of functionless Central American peasants who just schlep up to our southern border, wanting to get on the Democrat Party's big welfare-for-life handouts, doled out just so long as they vote the 'right way'....

 

Racism is crucial to Comrade Pootin's war. Pootin is a mo'fuXXing racist who doesn't accept Ukraine as a sovereign country.
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181
(Kremlin might bock this hateful stuff in some countries)

 

From OCTOBER 16, 2019

 

You lost me there, Pitbull. I thought that Russians and Ukrainians were practically 'first-cousins' as far as racial-stock is determined. And it goes much deeper than that, too. Both Russians and Ukrainians trace their cultural and linguistic precursors back to Constantinople and the Eastern Orthodox Church empire that projected itself to Kiev, and then further north to "Muscovy". They share a common alphabet and an essentially common language. Both of them are certainly 'Caucasian' in a very literal sense of that definition... indeed, the Caucasian Mountains themselves run right along to the east of the Black Sea....

 

It's not just "some countries," it's most of the planet. Europe and the Anglosphere countries are the odd ones out in this.

 

The Ukrainians are legitimate refugees, but that doesn't mean they should be allowed in the US. The ones crossing the border were already in a safe country, Mexico. So what's the rationale for allowing them into the US?

 

I merely pointed out that the whole idea of asylum offered by the United States is predicated on a provable set of circumstances which show clearly that a person is actually being put in fear for his or her life by his own government, or, a government that is making war on his country.

In theory, the Ukrainians could probably apply for asylum in Mexico, to remain in Mexico, if Mexico does indeed offer asylum to those fleeing harm or death that would be inflicted on them by staying in Ukraine because of the Russian invasion. I just flat don't know....

. "Give us all your dinero and you can stay...."

 

You describe the perspective of many Russians and Ukrainians.
But that's not Pootin's worldview.

Mass murderer Pootin thinks Ukraine was being hijacked by a virtual Nazi gang.
This is particularly absurd since Ukrainian President Zelensky is a Jew.