Most of the world neutral on Russia-Ukraine war

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  1. sharik

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    because this is a civil war. Ukraine and Russia have never parted really.
     
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    All well and good. But, in the modern world, it is not really practical for a country to close itself off to the rest of the world, at least not do so and continue to thrive. Because of our position, even though I am no warmonger, I think it only realistic to acknowledge that we have a target painted on our backs, by other countries which do not strive as strongly, to all appearances, to reach those same, high ideals.
     
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    the world today is not the place to be.

    better off behind an iron curtain to sit this out until the world recovers.
     
  4. Iranian Monitor

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    True. But to really be able to lead the East-West divide, you have to first understand the real nature of the East-West divide from its inception (the Greco-Persian wars). And you have to stop being wannabe westerner, or a wrongly rejected one, but rather be the real flag bearer for the East. Not by fitting the propaganda image of what the East was about as propagated by the ancient Greeks, nor what has been propagated about it since.

    This is a decent video on the issue, even though at the end when it asks the right question. it implies the wrong answer. And to understand why it is the wrong answer, even if better than the answer that emerged from Marxian thought (never-mind the Soviets), requires an education you will get simply from the West.
    I hope all of you watch and listen to this crash course history nonetheless.
     
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    We completely disagree on:
    1- why you have a target painted on our backs
    2- not really practical for a country to close itself off to the rest of the world, at least not do so and continue to thrive
    But, certainly, if the house of cards you have built on top of this Ponzi scheme economic system comes crashing down. there will be some initial pain. You can't thrive on slavery, which is what you are doing still through the global financial system, without short term pain for long-term benefits, if you don't properly focus (not in the Trumpian sense) on making Americans great. You need to become a better people and a more honestly productive one. The "shining city on the hill" will attract the best of them to help you along in the exercise.
     
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  6. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Yeh, but one's just GOT to be in charge. This is the whole problem with governments
     
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    What is it about then? (I agree with you btw, )
     
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    Or (dare I say it?) race? I've notice the huge reaction to hundreds of deaths in Europe versus apathy towards thousands of deaths in central Africa.
     
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    However the issue for this thread is not the sentiment of the Russian people but rather the lack of concern by most nations around the world. Sure, u can argue that the Russian news sources have a biased agenda, but very few of the folks in say, Tierra del Fuego read Pravda.
     
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    Well since you know so why don't we just let the stupid people continue to be stupid.
     
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    Only in Mad Vlad's eyes.
     
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    Frankly it feels more like 1914 than 2022.
     
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    Nice Confederate flag ....carski...:)
     
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    Well damn them too.
     
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    I can't argue with denial .. we all need to indulge at one time or another. The difficulties arise when you indulge it in a matter of survival.

    The balance of world power, is the prize. It's already won, FTR. We're in the last bit of golden sunset before we crash into the night (at least it will feel like night for those whose existence teeters upon a precarious scaffold of archly white bread First World safety, plenty, and choice - not so much for anyone who's lived outside the West).

    I wish nothing more than it wasn't true, meantime. Not sure about you, but I would prefer to have 2019 back. Or perhaps 1999, before the hubris took root.
     
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    Yep. We're being treated like idiot children again.
     
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    What are the odds .. right when the US starts sinking, you start hearing about it!

    Clearly fake news.
     
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    I live in the East. My nation is ostensibly Western, but will almost certainly roll over for The New Eastern Block at a certain point. Our loyalties will stay with the power base, and with our geographical neighbours. The West is weakening so rapidly that staying with them on principal would be stupid. FTR, contemporary Australians and New Zealanders are all 'slightly Eastern' in terms of culture and habits. Osmosis of proximity and all that. We'll adapt.
     
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    The US is sinking about as quickly as Jesus is making his way back down here to rapture the Bible Belt.
     
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    It probably does seem pretty good right at this minute, in the very specific place you're standing in. Especially if you're able to ignore the millions of Americans falling into poverty for the first time, and don't care to discolour your day with the petty concerns of the peasantry.
     
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    You do realize that we've been through much worse times, don't you?
     
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    Have you Dear? I certainly haven't, and I'm over 50. What was the years long deprivation and trauma you suffered? Boer War? Something more recent .. maybe the Great Depression?
     
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    :lol: Is this about you or America?
     
  24. Iranian Monitor

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    I don't know you well enough, but I suspect your understanding of the "East" is colored by your experience with China and Chinese money funneled into Australia, causing real estate prices to skyrocket and all sorts of other things, imagining the former communist turned hedonistic slave-masters producing material goods for the subjects of the emperor in the West, as representing the East.

    China is rising, but its political and ideological system is ultimately western despite a few eastern trappings. The true East-West divide arose elsewhere (Greece v Persia, Rome v Iran) and revolves around things which is hard to explain given the mountain of propaganda and false perceptions created to cover up the real issues.

    The New Eastern Bloc you are alluding to isn't, surely,going to be much to look forward to: a dish made up of a good bit of scum thrown together with desperate and divergent tastes to satisfy the palates of a materialistic Kleptocracy devoid of enlightenment, vision, or anything more inspiring than greed. If that is going to be the "East", I prefer the West despite its grotesque and persistent failings, its unforgivable sins, and its many many institutionalized lies. But there is a better East and I hope its true essence and meaning is one day rediscovered.
     
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    Has your life been so insulated that you can't conceive of bona fide hardship? Or is this just part of the bizarrely parted-down-socio/political-lines we're seeing in much of the West? IOW, this distinctly Urban Middle Class fantasy that everything will be fine again in a few weeks or months. Because if it's that latter, I can sort of understand it. I would be just as terrified, if I knew that not only might I lose the capacity to buy my way out of trouble, but that when my money is no longer worth enough to feed me, I have no other means of feeding myself. I say I only "sort of" understand, because there's still time to do something about it. What I don't understand, is being so terrified that you have to engage in the hard work of denial, when you could just adapt while the going's good. The 'stay and complain' thing baffles me.
     
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