Mother of Miscarried Child: ‘He Is Very Obviously Human, Not a Cluster of Cells’

Fine them...do not get an abortion but stay away from everyone elses freedoms.

 

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I am pro choice.

 

My mistake...and apology.

 

No problem.

 

The main reason for abortion is that the child/pregnancy is unwanted.
The main reason for claiming to care about life is the desire to appear caring.
Those who care are doing. Those trying to appear to care are talking. (Typing in your case)

 

OMG what a bunch of silliness.

1) Of course a fetus is human. The question is whether or not it is "a human" There is a difference between a descriptive adjective and a noun.

2) "He is obviously a human: Not a cluster of cells" ... A human is a cluster of cells. Clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed this one.


A "living human" (note the noun form of the word human as opposed to the descriptive adjective (human cell, human heart, human feces and so on ) does not exist without significant brain function. At least not to a coroner.

When a human on life support loses significant brain function they pull the plug and the dirt nap begins. The human is no longer considered to be living. but, clinically dead.

At 14 weeks there is no significant brain function. The wiring of the brain is not complete and the lights have not turned on.
Past 22 weeks however, I would consider that a living human exists and can make "rational and valid" arguments to support this claim.

What we have here is a fine example of ignorance, religious belief, and projection. The woman is projecting what might have been as if it exists in the now. This is fine but it in no way constitutes proof that a 14 week old fetus is a living human.

The woman is welcome to her religious belief - perhaps believing in the Catholic doctrine of ensoulment - that the soul exists at conception.
There is nothing wrong with holding this belief (other than a few logical contradictions) but, this belief has no bearing on the debate as to whether or not the 14 week fetus is human. (there is no way to prove a soul exits at conception)

 

To those who are pro choice, is there ever a point in the pregnancy where abortion is morally wrong and where the state may constitutionally prohibit it?

What if it's halfway out of the canal, crying, and the umbilical cord is of course still attached to the mother?

 

Then it is not an abortionis it?

 

"“He is a beautiful child, formed by God, and now gone to be with Him,” said Cash."

then I guess God is anti-Choice and against the mothers will... aborted it

course the bible says God drown almost all his children once, not such a good parental role model is he, Andrea Yates probably looked up to him.... oh wait... didn't she....

 

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a miscarriage is also an abortion, just not a doctor induced one, so fact is, most women have had many abortions in their lifetimes

 

Interesting read

"Religious school grads likelier to have abortions"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31048153/ns/health-health_care/

"The killing of an abortion provider on Sunday raises again the extreme potential consequences of the nation's schism on this topic. It's a tough issue to reconcile on a personal level too, and a new study on the effects of religiosity on the decision to have an abortion reveals more inconsistencies."

 

Learn: Yes, states do protect fetuses over 23 weeks , abortions after that are illegal except for the life/health of woman and/or fetus.

"Morality" has nothing to do with it , you keep your morals and I'll keep mine.

 

Just trying to see where you draw the line. And you don't say.

 

I have no line. I do not believe there should be any restrictions on abortions.....

...and NO, before you start the crap about "what if it's half way in and half way out and this happens and the moon turns blue and the umbilical cord is around the doctor's neck""

Canada has no abortion laws and women do NOT endure the "joys" of 8-9 months of pregnancy for the "fun" of an abortion...Canadian abortion rate is slightly lower than the US.

A woman goes into a hospital 8-9 months pregnant and wants an abortion for no reason and she gets a psyche evaluation and not an abortion.

Do you think all woman are crazy?


But that is why I am comfortable with the restrictions in the US which has a cut off of 23 weeks...

 

where I draw the line is not the issue, I am about 26 weeks, but I am not the one making the choice

http://www.slate.com/id/2120872/
"a member of President Bush's Council on Bioethics, describes in his book The Ethical Brain, current neurology suggests that a fetus doesn't possess enough neural structure to harbor consciousness until about 26 weeks, when it first seems to react to pain. Before that, the fetal neural structure is about as sophisticated as that of a sea slug and its EEG as flat and unorganized as that of someone brain-dead."

 

The mother believes her child is with God, which in truth, would make his death rather fortunate from a Christian perspective. He goes straight to Heaven and will never be at risk of going to Hell. As opposed to those unfortunate enough to grow up and be able to sin. Quite dark, actually.

 

Yes, and some Christians seem to forget their god has his own version of abortion called miscarriage....

 

well I suppose unless a Christian was selfish and wanted to deny her child the free pass to heaven.... or her faith was weak in that regard

 

Killed? I just killed an oak tree....I threw away an acorn

 

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You are wrong on many points,
I am very lazy, so I will correct only one point.

A developing fetal brain is a work in progress and starts "working" as soon as the first neural synapses are formed, how do we know this ?

Inactive nerve cells die.
As soon as a fetus has a beating heart, even before, the brain is switched on and working and the fetus is a living soul if one must use so archaic a term.

The brain starts off as a primitive cluster of nerve cells and constantly upgrades by hardwired programing.

Most people rationalize life's beggining to take away the responsibilty of taking a life by abortion.

Abortion is a Woman's issue and Right,
I find it painful, however, it is not my Right to impose or decide over a Woman's Right to choose.

Life develops as soon as the egg begins to divide and multiply, and by degrees increases, sometimes Maths will intervene and Life ends.

I have no answer to Abortion other than to say it is indeed sad when Life ends, however, such is our fate.

 

1) I am not wrong on a single point
2) Electrical activity in the brain is not "significant" brain function. There is fairly large body of research on this. Even overtly anti-abortion sites such as this http://www.doctorsonfetalpain.com/ do not claim significant brain function (such as the ability to feel pain) earlier than 20 weeks.

I admit in my post that I have issues past 22 weeks.

The issue for me is in the early stages of pregnancy. What is most absurd are those claiming that the zygote is a living human, such that it should have rights, including the right to life (and this last part is important) under LAW.

It is one thing to have a belief (religious or otherwise). It is quite another to force that belief on someone else through physical violence (LAW).

The fact of the matter is that the bast place the anti aborts can get to on the matter of the humanity of the zygote is "experts disagree". The reality is that there are very few that believe the zygote is a living human.

Regardless - even if we give ground and accept "experts disagree". This is saying "we don't know".

Making law on the basis of "we don't know or we don't know otherwise" in this instance where the rights of a human over their own body is being violated is bad law ... Full Stop.

 

Not

Sorry you can't read or comprehend very well.

Re-read my post.

Abortion is a Womans Right to choose.

Brain funtion begins as soon as the first neural synapse / pathway is formed.

That does not mean that catastrophic development flaws in a developing brain do not occur, with a child born that has very little cognitive abilities.

Brain function is very limited in early stages, but it is there non the less.
Nerves function or die, Brain cells do the same, you cannot define, life, how it begins or when cognition starts based on Brain development, unless you want a free pass = easy conscience in relation to an abortion.

Even very primitive life forms are alive, earthworms have very primitive brains, and are alive.

 

The issue is who assigns "personhood" Problem with the pro-abortion crowd, is they are all about convenience and every selfish excuse in the book to justify killing their offspring. <Mod Edit- Rules 3/4>

https://world.wng.org/2016/01/the_american_holocaust

 

Hypothetical for the forced birth fetishists to ponder:

You're trapped in a burning fertility clinic with an infant. You can either rescue the infant, or the 1,000 FERTILIZED VIABLE embryos the clinic houses. Which do you choose to save and why?