Moving to Australia?

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  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    Unlikely, since it's been our experience in all states. But then I'm not looking for approval of my politics and philosophies, I'm looking for the bonafide tolerance of those who don't care who I vote for or what colour I am. They're not interested in stuff that doesn't matter. It's the small human connections (a cup of tea, a chat about the weather, help with that fence) that matter.

    My theory is that Melbournians (and Sydneyites, to a lesser extent) actually expect acknowledgement of their little pecadillos and thought processes, because they're enculturated to a society of 'leisured' city dwellers, forced to engage in philosophical self-indulgence in lieue of work for their hands.
     
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    Not sure where 'around here' is, so I can't respond to that.

    I've helped (and been helped) in both towns and cities, so again - different experience.
     
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    I don’t think my neighbourhood is unusual- it is a cul de sac of mostly homeowners with couple of tenants . (One of whom has shifted. She was avoided because of her car stealing friends.)
    We are mutually supportive. My husband helps the woman next door with her car problems. Someone else mows our nature strip to be “a good neighbour”. We’ve had street BBQs.
    The Chinese people have fitted in and are friends.
    We have no blacks of any persuasion but I don’t think that disproves my belief that city dwellers are not intolerant, racists or self indulgent philosophers.
     
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    I'm not suggesting that ordinary families out in the burbs aren't good and decent people, I'm suggesting that over time, Melbourne and Sydney have become hives of 'self-indulgent philosophers and political intolerants'. Add to that an ever changing citizenry due to a massive decrease in home owneship and stability, and it becomes even worse. The suburbs are probably safe from that, to a degree.
     
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    Sounds racist.
     
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    Like many things in life its not what you do but how you do it that matters. In this instance people are expressing opinions and given advice to someone (not from Australia) about places they might potentially like to settle if they move here. There was nothing stopping you from doing the same but instead what do you contribute? A completely negative rant against all things Melbournian. And I didn't see anyone else blitzkreiging other parts of Australia - just you.

    In short, there was nothing stopping you from making a positive contribution to the discussion, even while critiquing Melbourne based on your personal preferences. You simply chose not to.
     
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    Red bellied black snakes are our friend, they don't usually attack us and are not deadly anyway but they kill brown snakes to who's venom they are immune but it is one of the deadliest in the world.
    However not all black snakes are harmless, the King Brown despite it's name and colour is actually a black snake - genus Pseudechis

    Last recorded death was in the 60's. If bitten by a King Brown use black snake antivenom.
     
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    Black snake envenomation is still potentially deadly or life threatening for children and the sick or elderly.
     
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    I was talking about the Red Belly in particular, there has only been one confirmed death recorded for the Red Belly, a baby. Other reports are suspect as to the identity of the snake.
     
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    Not just racist. Ageist, Classist, Sexist, ect... Australia has some of the strictest immigration laws imaginable. If you're not young, skilled and/or wealthy. you can forget about living down under!
     
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    Depends on what you mean by 'skilled'. We have a list of qualifications that gets re-graded regularly. Some qualifications like Nursing can pretty much get waved through the door any time they please, other trades like carpentry or electrician are looked on favorably while at the moment accountants just aren't needed at all.
     
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    Your inability to comprehend a simple sentence is no problem of mine.
     
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    It is amusing to see people who don't have a clue about the racial & ethnic makeup of our migration intake opining on said. Information has never been easier to access, yet people seem keener than ever to decide they know about things without bothering to access the information.

    A fascinating paradox.
     
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    I DID give advice. Good advice, too. I said stay away from one city .. the rest is pretty good. Can't be cheerier and more helpful than that :)
     
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    America could learn a thing or two on that front. Australia is MUCH better at managing this stuff.

    Unless ... but no, surely you weren't actually disparaging Australia's incredibly sensible and forward thinking policy?
     
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    He's joking, bigfella. You should know our vman by now ;)
     
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    Try harder Crank.
     
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    No you just sledged the City without providing any helpful insights. It probably wouldn't matter to anyone from Australia who could separate the BS from fact but it might matter to someone from the US who doesn't know Australia well. After all if you were moving to the US you'd probably appreciate some clear cut advice from the locals. Just saying you should give what you'd like to get back.
     
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    I was in a hurry when I wrote that :p
     
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    I've had PLENTY of advice from Americans to the effect "go anywhere but California". They don't need to explain why, but even if I didn't know .. it would take all of five minutes to find out. Places that are so ... ahem ... extreme, usually announce themselves. Melbourne (and to a lesser extent, Victoria .. though it's a lovely state geographically etc) is our California/LA/Portland. Such places were absolutely great at the end of the 20thC and into the early years of the 21st, but are now disasters, full of posturing ideologues, crime, wealth inequality, and social problems.

    I think it's very reasonable to declare that Australia is great pretty much anywhere but Melbourne. It's only one city, in a vast nation :)
     
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    I like to put, IMHO if I make a statement like that, not always especially lately but I will remember to do it more often.

    Most of what you have said especially about the state of Victoria is about the government's political ideology that you disagree with.
    I feel that your main issue with Melbourne is
    1. That it is in Victoria.
    2. The black gangs.
    Your definitly conservative viewpoint is the main factor in most of your issues.

    When you're view is biased it is right to state IMHO because that, your opinion, is all it is.
     
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    IMHO
     
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    Townsville, who'd a thought it.

    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-most-dangerous-cities-in-oceania.html
     
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    1) I like Victoria, it's a gorgeous state. I love nearly all of it, away from the city. From Mildura, to the alpine region, down to the Prom, etc.

    2) What I dislike about MELBOURNE, is Melbournians. I dislike (intensely) what they've done to what was once a tolerant and easy going town. It used to be a town which welcomed everyone, no matter the stripe. And that terrible, embarrassing wealth divide .. that used to be a Sydney thing (and didn't we just hate them for it .. back in the day when the Left actually cared about the working classes).

    3) Why do you think I'm a conservative? I was told last week that I'm too liberal for Melbourne, so that's interesting to me. I guess it depends upon what you think "liberal" means. I go with the dictionary definition.

    4) Of course I'm biased. It's plain for all to see. Not sure what you're driving at here.

    Edited to add: 'black' gangs? now why on earth would you need to mention skin tone?
     
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