Mr.Peter MacKay vs ? for National Leader of Conservative Party?

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    Who would you like to see campaigning for the role of national leader of Canada's Conservative Party now that P. M. Stephen Harper has retired?

    I would love to see Mr. Peter MacKay go all out to become national leader.

    I live in Central - Nova where he has served as M. P. as well as Minister of Defence and Minister of Justice.

    I got an interesting e-mail last week that I keep thinking about because I think that the author of that e-mail could mount a surprisingly effective leadership campaign as well.
     
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    I personally would very much like to see Mr. Stephen Harper's son Ben begin a campaign for the office of National Leader of the Conservative Party.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=429086&p=1065492591#post1065492591

    I would love it if he simply encouraged young people to join a political party, whatever one they felt drawn toward, and encouraged all of them to watch the documentary "Cowspiracy" because it is obvious that we need to do something about this.........… Carbon Dioxide is NOT the most dangerous compound when it comes to climate change and pollution.


    Fwd: Why I’m voting for my dad




    https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Tate4CentralNova/conversations/messages/3600


    Mr. Ben Harper:
     
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    IF.....Mr. Ben Harper convinced hundreds and soon thousands of young people to become involved in a political party but.......... they continued to discuss problems with their friends who felt drawn toward a different political party.........… then the political atmosphere in Canada could be dramatically altered over the coming decade.
     
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    Mr. Ben Harper, when your dad decided to boot M. P. Bill Casey out of the Conservative Party....... I started scratching my head and I wondered what in the world was he thinking?!?!

    I knew that P. M. Stephen Harper, while a student at university maintained a 94% average......... so it didn't make sense to me that he would metaphorically walk around and shoot each and every Conservative candidate in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick and P. E. I and Newfoundland in the foot.......... so that they were limping around....... unable to get away from the reality that booting somebody like Mr. Casey out of the party would alienate a significant percentage of people out here on the east coast.

    I thought and thought and thought about what the possible motivation could be...... and about three years later it hit me......... I was approaching this question from the point of view of somebody from Nova Scotia and I was missing the larger picture.

    On one level........ Ben.... if you were to ask your dad who were the most vehement advisers in favor of maintaining party unity..... and booting Mr. Casey........ ask him if they now are campaigning for the role of National Leader of the Conservative Party...... I strongly suspect that you will find this to be the case?!

    Ben..... .if you ask your dad if Mr. Peter MacKay stuck up for Mr. Casey and tried his level best to convince your dad to NOT expel Mr. Casey.... I strongly suspect that your dad will confirm..... that this is probably the case.

    Mr. Peter MacKay, would NEVER be in favor of an action that would set the stage for the Conservative Party to be destroyed in Atlantic Canada.

    Now I must admit.... your dad proving himself to be tough on us lazy Maritimers was wise in some ways....... and got him extra votes in the 2011 election, especially in Ontario and out west where extra labour from the east coast was needed.

    Mr. Ben Harper....... there is a way to turn this into an asset for your party and for Canada......... you could begin your campaign to become leader of the Conservative Party out here in the east.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Casey

     
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    Mr. Ben Harper...... here is a problem facing students in Quebec that virtually everybody in Canada can to some degree identify with.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/canad...s-quebec-students-not-free-learn-english.html

    Thousands,perhaps hundreds of thousands of Quebec students NOT free to learn English.
    All Canadians in all provinces and in all political parties can agree that it is a terrible thing when French speaking students in Quebec lack the real freedom to learn English.

    English is obviously the primary language for international business and scientific research.

    For quite valid reasons the French speaking people of Quebec have an animosity toward us English speaking Canadians due to the events of the past four centuries but........... in the year 2015 all of us must get past those ancient hatreds and move into a new era.

    ................. Mr. Ben Harper, please scroll down to post # 2 in that discussion..... and you will get some background information on another problem facing some Canadians that virtually all Canadians again, can to some degree identify with.

    M. P. Bill Casey may well be in a riding that has some land that may be exceptionally vulnerable to rising ocean levels?!?!

    I was told that the difference between low tide to high tide in my part of Nova Scotia, (near Sherbrooke and Port Bickerton), is only about one meter.

    The difference between low tide to high tide along parts of the Bay of Fundy is fifteen to seventeen meters. The land form of the Bay of Fundy has a funneling and focusing effect on the tide as it comes in.

    It seems to me that a thirty centimeter, (one foot) rise in average ocean levels could perhaps produce high tide levels along parts of the Fundy that could be 15X the average which would be 30 cms x 15 = 450 cms or 4.5 meters or 14.76 feet.

    One of the only possible remedies that I can think of to the threat faced by the owners of 143,000 acres along the Fundy that are protected by dikes is........ a massive expansion of initiatives such as the Sahara Forest Project?!?!

    http://saharaforestproject.com/
     
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    I personally am a Liberal who wishes to see more communication between all of Canada's political parties.

    One of the things that we must do to increase cooperation is to give credit...... even to our opponents when we feel it is due.

    I saw the following post and comments on a Liberal Party group this morning:

    Liberals Rebuilding the Liberal Party // Libéraux rebâtissant le PLC



    I replied.......I live in Central - Nova..... and I really have no problem with Mr. MacKay having been on that fishing trip........ He was Minister of Defence at that time.... and it was amazing how often he risked his own safety to visit our troops every where that they were stationed..... especially Afghanistan. Many of our troops love the outdoors.... and that fishing trip was partly an unofficial training exercise to give him more to talk about to the troops...... and even Generals in allied armies.... who enjoy fishing?!?!

    Considering that his fiance's name is Nazanin at the time..... it is not that he was desperate to be fishing.... he would have preferred to have been with his fiance....... but...... he sacrificed and travelled a lot while Minister of Defence..... and I do not feel that we should worry too much about this........... You and I do not even know who he may have been meeting with while fishing?????????

    The word "Liberal" implies generous... and when one of our opponents behaves in a manner that is well above average.... we should give them credit for this. In my opinion Mr. Peter MacKay deserves credit for having an exceptionally good work ethic.
     
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    I just created a Facebook group focused on this topic:


    Canadians 4 Peter MacKay for Conservative Leadership.

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/697266347074933/permalink/697268473741387/
     
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    At this time Mr. Peter MacKay seems to have twice as much support as his nearest potential rival!

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/grenier-cpc-leadership-poll-1.3353882
    - - - Updated - - -

    The poll used by the Globe and Mail has him in an even more commanding lead at this time.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/peter-mackay-most-favoured-of-potential-conservative-leaders-poll/article27628805/

     
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    Interesting!

    http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/201...er-MacKay-tops-poll-for-Conservative-leader/1

     
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    I feel sorry for you posting on this thread alone, so I will add some comments. I too share your desire to see Mr Mackay lead the Conservative Party. I predict that at the party leadership vote, he will likely even lead after the first ballot, but not have a majority, so in an attempt to get more votes, he should get an endoresement from a candidate who is against a merger with another party. He will promise not merge his party with another party, then reneg at the first opportunity. He will never be trusted by the new leader despite his willingness to be whipped.

    My only question is who would merge with the Conservatives The Progressive Conservatives were damaged goods in the late 1990s, early 2000s, but compared to Harper, Mulroney's a saint. Selection of Mackay as leader would ensure Liberal victories in 2019, 2023 and 2027.
     
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    Thank you for this intriguing analysis of the past decade in Canadian politics.

    I am on a different page on that one.........… if Mr. Peter MacKay had entirely rejected the offer from Mr. Stephen Harper and the Reform Party....... he would have been denying the word "Progressive" in the name......"Progressive Conservative!"

    P. M. Stephen Harper, for all his many flaws........ was one of Canada's most "Liberal" Prime Ministers.

    During his time as P. M. four of Canada's ten provinces attained a level of carbon footprint in the generation of electricity that is considered to be quite good. A fifth province Saskatchewan is soon to join that club due to their new carbon capture plant.

    P. M. Stephen Harper manage to prevent the Conservative Movement from making the marriages of Gay couples illegal.

    In my opinion he deserves more credit than he was given but............. his error of being too rough on M. P. Bill Casey did indeed play a significant role in pretty much wiping out the Conservative Party here in Nova Scotia and in the Atlantic Provinces.

    There is just something poetic about Mr. Ben Harper also taking a shot at the leadership of the Conservative Party. A certain other famous son of a former Canadian Prime Minister has some issues from the past to address as well.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/canad...e-elliott-trudeau-save-world-environment.html

    Did P. M. Pierre Elliott Trudeau save the world environment?



    This is actually a quite serious question.

    P. M. Trudeau made an error back in 1974, that may well come to be understood as one of the most important mistakes ever made by a political leader.

    When P. M. Pierre Elliott Trudeau took Canada off the gold standard, (which incidentally had to be done for many valid reasons), a miscalculation was made that is the number one reason why our national debt has spiraled out of control.

    But..... there is a very good side to this because all of us know that we humans have been in a somewhat similar mentality to our ancestors who shot, boiled, barbecued, roasted and fried passenger pigeons into extinction.

    We are highly prone to OVER Consumptionism............. I addressed part of the background issues back in my 2006 provincial level campaign as an independent.
     
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    I don't understand your jibba jabba. What do Ben Mulroney, Pierre Trudeau and Sassykatchewan's failed carbon capture plan have to do with Peter MacKay? My only thought regarding Mackay is that he is greasy (to borrow a term from Nova Scotia's patron saint, Bubbles). He has not shown that he is capable of acting in good faith. His behaviour is exemplefied in his antics as PC leader and his shady practices as Defence and Justice Ministers.


     
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    Well........ a little bit of greasiness can be a good thing in a politician.

    I tried my level best to be very blunt and honest in all three of my campaigns and I only got 31 votes in all three runs combined!

    www.BankingSystemsFlaws.blogspot.ca/

    ................

    In a way..... I feel that I can rival even Mr. John Turmel as one of the worst politicians in all of Canada?!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Turmel

    ............…

    Thus the title of my note:

    https://www.facebook.com/notes/turk...ician-the-film-series-concept/310416062401072

    Canada's Worst Politician, the film series concept?!

    The world highest tides occur in Canada's Bay of Fundy between Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and the State of Maine.



    The difference between low tide to high tide near where I live in Nova Scotia is only a little over one meter.



    Near Truro, N. S. and Moncton, N. B. the difference between low tide to high tide is fifteen to seventeen meters.



    If ocean levels rose by an average of thirty centimetres would high tides be up by 4.5 meters along parts of the Bay of Fundy? The way the Bay of Fundy is shaped it tends to FUNNEL tidal waters.



    30 cms x 15 = 450cms or 4.5 meters.



    There are 143,000 acres of very productive farmland along the Fundy that are protected by dikes. This land is arguably the most vulnerable land in the world to the threat of rising ocean levels?



    EVERY CUBIC METER OF OCEAN WATER THAT IS DESALINATED AND ADDED TO THE WATER TABLE OF JORDAN, will NOT be on top of New Orleans, New Jersey, parts of Florida, islands in the Caribbean, Bangladesh, The Netherlands or those 143,000 acres along the Bay of Fundy.
     
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    Well....... it is looking like he is going back into the legal profession isn't it?

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...join-law-firm-baker-mckenzie/article28366193/

    Former minister Peter MacKay to join law firm Baker & McKenzie

    ........... But........ perhaps a group can be gotten together who would recognize that his time is worth perhaps 1000%, or 10,000% more as an actor...… playing the role of a political figure...… in a series of films set supposedly perhaps in 2008 to 2014........than if he is hired as merely a lawyer/ advisor?!

    http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...t-work-fast-enough-address-wais-collapse.html


    A carbon tax will NOT work fast enough to address WAIS collapse.



    A tax on carbon will take centuries to address the real issues associated with the impending collapse of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet!


     
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    Peter is okay if you like back stabbing (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) bags.
     
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    The number of times that he visited Canadian troops in Afganistan or other nations where the possibility of him being targeted was astonishing.

    This is not the behavior pattern of the average political leader!

    This incident very early in his political career doesn't seem to slow him down at all.


    http://www.thestar.com/news/2007/01/08/bombs_delay_mackays_takeoff.html


    Bombs delay MacKay's takeoff

     
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    So what?

    Ever heard of David Orchard?
     
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    Actually I had almost forgotten about this incident. Good question Avro!


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Orchard

    My opinion of all this is that Mr. Peter Mackay made the truly wise decision when he decided to unite the Progressive Conservative Party with the Reform Party.

    By taking that step he set the stage for P. M. Stephen Harper to play a critical role in world events at the G-8 meetings in 2011.

    I wrote the following while I was still a member of Canada's Liberal Party:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...s-p-m-brokering-jordan-israel-peace-deal.html

    Please pray or meditate on Canada's P. M. brokering Jordan - Israel peace deal?



    I know that many of you pray or meditate so please

    pray that P. M. Stephen Harper initiate a peace deal between Jordan and Israel?

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    I am a member of a different Canadian political party but……… I have to admit that P. M. Stephen Harper is for good reason regarded as a rather "Davidic" figure by a high percentage of Israelis.

    What he did for Israel back in 2011 at the G-8 was one of the most courageous and wise acts by a political leader that I have seen since I began to watch world events back in the '70's!

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...per-stands-alone-at-g8-summit/article4263322/

    On Israel, Harper stands alone at G8 summit - The Globe and Mail


     
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    Right, and he did it with a pen filled with blood.

    The guy is a jerk.
     
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    In my opinion..... what P. M. Stephen Harper did at the G-8 in 2011 probably saved the lives of thousands if not tens of thousands of Israeli Palestinians and Jews.

    Mr. David Orchard may well have valid reasons to be angry with Mr. Mackay but........... whatever he may have lost in the over all scheme of things is paled into near insignificance by the good that was accomplished by P. M. Harper in 2011!

    The close relationship that P.M. Stephen Harper has built up between Canada and Israel can pave the way for a dramatic boost in the Canadian film industry.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/middl...jamin-netanyahu-lets-get-into-production.html

    P. M. Benjamin Netanyahu, let's get into the production of....



    .... semi reality science fiction film projects that are partly financed through alternative local currencies, and/or State currencies, and/or community currencies......... that address specific problems that human beings are facing now in 2015?
     
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    What good?
     
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    It is common knowledge that President Yasser Arafat had stashed away nearly a billion dollars by the time of his death.

    The top leadership of the P. A. are rumored to have hidden perhaps as much as twenty billion dollars.

    Keeping a war going can be a highly profitable business. A powerful case can be presented that one of Arafat's guards was prepared to assassinate him at Oslo if he had signed any sort of reasonable agreement with Israeli officials.

    If...… President Obama's naïve 2011 G-8 plans had gone through...… the P. A. would probably have initiated another Intefada?!?!?!

    This could have led to a pretty major war in the Middle East but P. M. Stephen Harpers' courage and wisdom prevented this from happening!
     
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    Well.... I happen to be in a position to set him up quite nicely I think......

    We may soon begin a micro-nation in order to print up a micro nation currency......

    I am thinking....... "The ...... Volunteerism Hour".........

    Then........ we propose a full fledged "Unified Theory of Modern World Problems" and
    the database for the project should be in Newfoundland - Labrador to attempt to begin to make up
    for the roughly 11.5 billion or so dollars that it could be argued was stolen from them.... .and given to
    Quebec.... in order to assist to keep Quebec as part of Canada.......
    (post #26 and #29).... will help to explain....

    http://www.politicalforum.com/canad...elliott-trudeau-save-world-environment-3.html
    Thread: Did P. M. Pierre Elliott Trudeau save the world environment?
     
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    I just took an online survey.

    http://conservativepartyofcanada.cmail19.com/t/t-l-dhhtlky-hjhilhhrt-t/

     
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    What is even worse is when I have to apologize for being ignorant of
    important aspects of a subject that I addressed in an e-mail message to Mr. Peter Mackay?!


    http://www.politicalforum.com/abort...m-p-peter-mackay-my-apology-my-ignorance.html

    My 2007 anti-abortion e-mail to my M. P. Peter MacKay and my apology for my ignorance

    Back in 2007, when I wrote the following e-mail to my M. P., I just did not understand how powerful a case can be presented for the pro-choice position.
     

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