MSNBC’s Melissa Harris Perry: Detroit Is What Happens When Government Is Too Small

Melissa Harris Perry is what happens when people are too stupid. Over fifty years of corrupt one party rule is what has gutted Detroit.
The fact that the manufacturing base of Detroit left is just the most obvious factor. Coleman Young, Kwame Kilpatrick, Jerome Cavanagh etc. have been the biggest impediment

 

"This is what it looks like when government is small enough to drown in your bathtub and it is not a pretty picture."

Can somebody tell me what is so "stupid" about the statement above, other than just saying that it's "stupid"?

 

Sure. It's "idiotic". Better?

 

Detroit's problems are mainly due to racism. In 1910 the black population was 1.23%. Today it's 82.69% (2010 figures). In 1950 it was 16.25%. After WWII Southern blacks started moving in to benefit from industrial jobs. At that time businesses started moving to the suburbs and stopped expanding in Detroit proper. Blacks moved into the inner city neighborhoods and the government started to provide housing loans.

The insurance companies and banks started a policy of redlining. They wouldn't guarantee mortgages in black neighborhoods. So whites wouldn't buy in them and moved to the suburbs where redlining didn't exist. That resulted in more houses for blacks so more moved in which resulted in even more whites moving out.

As a result of the change in demographics the Dems took over and eventually had political control of the city.

Because industry refused to build in Detroit the infrastructure started to decay. That resulted in a loss of tax revenue. Schools and city services declined. The collapse expanded. So today Detroit is bankrupt. As a consequence a lot of white city retirees will get stiffed on their pensions as well as the black ones.

Chicago and Philadelphia will face the same destiny. That's why Chicago is trying to force blacks to move out by engaging in a program of ethnic cleansing.

 

It's better at demonstrating that anarchists are "idiotic" and don't know how necessary the government is.

 

Bullcrap. Your post shows you really, genuinely have no clue what you are talking about. When it's illegal to fire union workers and hire non-union replacements, only a complete fool would claim "all the company had to do was reject the proposals."

 

Yeah, uh... ok

 

MHP is a race baiting, gender baiting, whining loser.
In her mind a non-white and woman can do no wrong.

here is her wearing tampons for earrings in order to showcase what happens with the far left goes full retard

 

The Right oppresses non-whites and women.

 

yes they do - I, as a liberal and proud Obama voter completely agree.
but that doesn't mean MHP isn't a retard.

 

Not all of them... just most of them.

 

So with unions and great city leadership what do we have??? The great Black militant Mayor Coleman Young drove whites out of Detroit and our fine Black population took a pretty huge dump right down town.

So you think that we should follow the Chinese model? Let's go over a few more things that China doesn't allow you idiot? Free speech. Freedom of movement. Freedom of association. Freedom to form your wonderful unions. Freedom of religion - I know you like that one. Freedom to own an idea by getting a patent.

If you had been paying attention for your 23 years or if your mother had been she would have told you that what the gutted Detroit was the result of a strict adherence to the political correctness of letting the Blacks have a few of our city centers.

Mayor Coleman Young ruled Detroit like his own kingdom and so did the mayors after him. Far left militant Blacks killed Detroit and those still there like Detroit the way it is.

They aren't going to like what comes next.

So, as knowledgeable as you pretend to be about the unions and Chrysler; tell us how long the longest strike lasted, tell us how Chrysler would have survived with no workers, keeping in mind that the other two auto manufacturers union workers supported the Chrysler union workers while they were striking so the workers were still eating while the planet lay idle.

Again you show your ignorance of the facts. The primary problem was the quality of assembly. Chrysler had the best engineers in the industry but if the workers don't want to work the products will suffer. Chrysler engineers developed the K car concept that brought the whole industry front wheel drive and caused me to leave the auto industry for the oil field. Chrysler developed the minivan concept that still rules the roads of America. Have you seen one? Get on a chair and look out the basement window and one will drive by in a few minutes.

After the 1967 race riots people left Detroit by the thousands affecting municipal infrastructures, tax bases and jobs.

Why would an insurance company insure a house in an area where houses were still smoldering from race riots?

So the white slave masters of Detroit will suffer and that concerns you??

Rom is fostering the gang murders in Chicago? Does that fool think that Blacks can kill each other faster than they are breeding? Maybe but I doubt it.

Detroit has a very high murder rate but because they have such poor police protection we don't have a real idea how many people are dead and missing around town.

 

If you know anything about labor law, there is nothing legally to prevent the company from rejecting union proposals at the bargaining table nor the union from rejecting company proposals likewise. Both sides bargain from a position of strength and compromise. If they cannot come to an agreement, the union membership has a right to withhold their services (strike) and the company likewise has a right to lock out the employees until a successor agreement is reached.

Please don't try to claim that I have no clue about what I am talking about; i've negotiated labor agreements for a few decades and organized many non-union shops over the same period of time.

Finally, its ok to disagree, but don't be so combative; otherwise I won't respond to your posts. Lets both be civil with each other.

 

Yes but when the laws are so much in favor of labor, the company really has no choice but to eventually give in.

Sorry, but when I see an idiotic statement spoken by someone who doesn't know what they're talking about, I can't help but call it an idiotic statement spoken by someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.

Union greed and liberal policies killed Detroit, because union greed and liberals policies are long term disasters. And so now other cities across America are prospering with automotive manufacturing.

 

You might not be old enough, but anyone from the 70's will remember Chrysler/Dodges "Aspen"; the car that rusted out within a couple of years of coming off the assembly line; or their transmissions which failed around 60k miles. Poor design; there's no way to hide that fact. You should also remember that at that time frame there were 4 major automakers as well; all had manufacture issues at one time or another.

You might not want to admit it, but many American cars manufactured at that time were nothing more then "junk on wheels"; that's when Americans started buying foreign-made cars.

Finally, your Chrysler minivan which you tout so highly is still to this day, manufactured junk. The tranny's are a bit better now, they start to fail around 80k. I know, I had two and each had the tranny go around that time frame.

 

Laws are in favor of unions????? You have to be kidding me; have you followed labor law since the NLRA of 1935 was enacted?? Does the Taft/Hartely Act of 1948 ring a bell??? or the Griffith/Landrum Act ????

It apparent that both you and I will not be able to debate this since we are so far apart and as such will have to agree to disagree on this thread.

 

Understand...these are paid shills.
Pundits like this are essentially on the DNC payroll....as an extension of Corporate entities that own television networks...who, in exchange for putting paid shills on their networks, get political favors. They will never own up to failed policies or practices...never. So you see pundits like the above making up outlandish...and out and out lies to cover the reality of failed progressivism. It's her job, literally, to defend Democratic policies, even if it means driving rationality right off the cliff into the sea of insanity.

Detroit failed because of progressive policies and practices...this is reality...
Detroit is billions in debt because of unpaid pension liabilities to public sector workers..yet she proclaims "The Government" wasn't big enough.

I question her sanity if she actually believes that, but more than likely it's to earn a paycheck with a DNC endorsement.

 

How is she in anyway wrong? The government of Detroit is too small and weak to fund emergency services. It cut spending for fire and police protection. It cut spending for infrastructure maintenance. It cut funding for schools.

These are all things that Republicans want governments around the country to do in the name of "small government" and here we see the result.

 

I'll remind you that Democrats have been running Detroit for 50 years, and today we see the result.

The fact is, Melissa Harris Perry is a nanny state collectivist who will never think government is big enough. Her whole outlook is wrong.
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Either party can run a government when the money is rolling in but when it stops, so does the joy ride. I'm not saying that democrats and their policies didn't contribute, I'm saying the way Detroit fell nothing would or could have made that big a difference. Maybe republicans could have drawn the inevitable out a little farther but it is highly unlikely since they would have raised taxes, and made ridiculous promises to try and save the city too.

 

Agree. Maybe the DNC is throwing a few bucks their way, but you're spot, they can't be doing well with the low ratings they get. But I suppose NBC is more than accommodating with funding their overly partisan propaganda machine.

 

Democrats may have been running Detroit for the last 50 years, but the government there is the Republican dream of a small weak government that you could "drown in the bathtub" like Grover Norquist wants and has gotten loyalty pledges from the GOP to implement.

 

That's not true and you know it.

Not true. Your buying into the conservative mantra.

 

Yea, except Detroit's leadership, all Democrat all the time, never were willing to stop the "joy ride" once the money wasn't there, they just kept right on borrowing to fund their ride. Sounds familiar doesn't it?

 

um... no.....

Its cause the democrats running the city are incompetent, lazy and crooked....

Oh and the citizens refuse to pay their fair share, and theyre not very patriotic.

Half of Detroit property owners don't pay taxes
News analysis finds $246.5M in taxes went unpaid last year

Detroit — Nearly half of the owners of Detroit's 305,000 properties failed to pay their tax bills last year, exacerbating a punishing cycle of declining revenues and diminished services for a city in a financial crisis, according to a Detroit News analysis of government records.

The News reviewed more than 200,000 pages of tax documents and found that 47 percent of the city's taxable parcels are delinquent on their 2011 bills. Some $246.5 million in taxes and fees went uncollected, about half of which was due Detroit and the rest to other entities, including Wayne County, Detroit Public Schools and the library.

Delinquency is so pervasive that 77 blocks had only one owner who paid taxes last year, The News found. Many of those who don't pay question why they should in a city that struggles to light its streets or keep police on them.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130221/METRO01/302210375#ixzz2ZyZOdaXN