MSNBC Ambushes Mueller After Easter Church Services!

I would say every time that a foreign government or a foreign actor is shown to have tried to manipulate our presidential elections, and the FBI decides to investigate, and the president who potentially would benefit from that manipulation denies the facts, and instead fires the investigators, and mentions the investigation as part of the reason for the firing... that should be investigated. Don't you think?

 

I think the alleged pee tape would have been a red flag for any investigator of integrity to shut this down, not to mention that the Trump-Russia (Steele) dossier was opposition research with the veneer of being described as a private intelligence report to give it currency for a FISA warrant to spy on a presidential candidate. But the investigation continued despite all the red flags to shut it down early; instead it was used as fodder for the left-wing media to manipulate stupid Americans into believing that there was collusion.

"News" outlets, such as the New York Times, and Democrat politicians and former politicians (such as Obama), harped on the indictments that came out of this case, even though none of those who were indicted were indicted because of collusion, the premise of the investigation.

• Paul Manafort was indicted and sentenced for financial crimes.
• Konstantin Kilimnik was indicted and charged with obstruction of justice.
  
• Roger Stone is being charged with lying to Congress.
• Michael Flynn plead guilty to lying to investigators.
• Rick Gates plead guilty to lying to investigators.
• Michael Cohen plead guilty to tax and bank charges, campaign finance violations, and lying to Congress.
  
• George Papadopoulos served 12 days in prison for lying to investigators.
  
• Alex van der Zwaan served 30 days in prison for lying to investigators.
  
• Richard Pinedo was sentenced to six months in prison for identity theft.
  
• Sam Patten plead guilty to failing to register as a foreign lobbyist.
  
• Bijan Kian and Skim Alptekin were charged with conspiring to violate lobbying laws.

None of those indictments has anything to do with Trump, his campaign, or his administration. Yet I remember reading New York Times headlines talking about the growing list of indictments into the investigation about Trump-Russia collusion, mixed with a picture of Trump with Putin, Trump in the shadows, or some other pictures to imply that the indictments were evidence that Trump was guilty, despite, again, them not having to do anything with Trump, his campaign, or his administration. But the headlines and the pictures suggesting Machiavellianism did not correspond with the actual article, which, deep down in the page, mentioned the crimes that these people were charged with. I'm guessing the New York Times don't put much stock in their readers to actually read the article.

I remember Obama stumping for some Democrat candidates during the 2018 midterm election about how Trump was corrupt because of all the indictments from the people in his orbit, implying those people were indicted because of things related to Trump, as opposed to the truth, like failing to register as a foreign lobbyist. which has nothing to do with Trump or collusion.

 

Stop the facade. Trumpians don't object to Mueller and the investigation (which was not his) they object to someone questioning the deification of their orange god. Sadly, some people really do approve the idea that Trump could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and get away with it. Mueller and Trump are polar opposites. Normal people easily make that distinction. Trumpians cannot, they are already in hell. Based on the tone of this post, one must suspect Trumpians spit while typing.

 

Unlike your canonization of Obama, I don't canonize or deify Trump; I just point out the nonsense and corruption on the other side.

 

Well, the FBI decided to investigate because of the Trump-Russia (Steele) dossier, which was used to obtain a FISA warrant to spy on the Trump campaign. That dossier was opposition research, funded by Fusion GPS. Fusion GPS was hired on behalf of the Clinton campaign and the DNC to conduct opposition research on Trump. Fusion GPS then hired Steele, who came up with the now-famous dossier that included the pee tape, which has been officially debunked. (1) https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...6fabf0-b8e4-11e7-a908-a3470754bbb9_story.html (2) https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/us/politics/steele-dossier-trump-expained.html

The dossier should have been a red flag into the unethical shenanigans by the Obama DOJ, and once Mueller heard about it, he should have shut this down, as it was obviously frivolous.

As for why Comey was fired, well, actually, Comey was fired under the recommendation of United States Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. Here is what Rod Rosenstein said in his letter recommending Comey be fired:

The current FBI Director is an articulate and persuasive speaker about leadership and the immutable principles of the Department of Justice. He deserves our appreciation for his public service. As you and I have discussed, however, I cannot defend the Director's handling of the conclusion of the investigation of Secretary Clinton's emails, and I do not understand his refusal to accept the nearly universal judgment that he was mistaken. Almost everyone agrees that the Director made serious mistakes; it is one of the few issues that unites people of diverse perspectives.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39866767
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Comey was not fired because he was looking into Trump-Russian collusion; he was fired because he was an unethical scumbag, as evidenced in how he handled the Hillary Clinton email server scandal. It sad when the cold-hard facts are the wind that knocks down your house-of-cards case. I guess you can call those pesky facts inconvenience truths.

 

Why? So as not to embarrass our sexually depraved President?

And I, a simple and typical American citizen should give a rat's ass because..... why? The President of the United States committed crimes. I don't care how he was found out. He needs to be in jail. If whoever found out did something illegal.... they need to be in jail too!

I respect the laws. So expect anybody who breaks them to be punished. I don't care who that is.

• Paul Manafort was indicted and sentenced for financial crimes.
• Konstantin Kilimnik was indicted and charged with obstruction of justice.

... and on and on

Great! Would they be in jail if Mueller had "shut down" the investigation before it started? I don't think so.

So these are criminals that belong in jail. You have made a case in favor of the Mueller investigation.

Really? Manafort had nothing to do with Trump or his campaign or his administration? Or Flynn, or Stone, or....? and on and on...

Wow!

Who's O'Bama? Some Irish guy?

Amazing that Flynn and Stone and Manfort and ... all those are "pure angels" who had nothing to do with Trump, but this O'Bama guy is the devil who drove Trump into all this criminal activity!

You obviously haven't read the Mueller report, have you?

 

The Steele dossier has no currency; even Mueller threw water on the Steele dossier. And that it was used as a basis for obtaining a FISA warrant is insane. If you think getting a FISA warrant through fact-free opposition research is OK, that it is in line with jurisprudence to attain a FISA warrant to spy on a presidential campaign on the basis of frivolous opposition research, then that bespeaks fanaticism to get rid of Trump by any means, ethical or otherwise. When Mueller saw the frivolity on which this investigation was based, if he was truly Mr. Integrity, he should have shut it down then and there. Hopefully, Barr will look into that glaring aspect of this miscarriage.

You think partisan, fact-free opposition research should be a basis for a FISA warrant to spy on a presidential campaign? How would you feel if the Republicans did likewise to the Democrat nominee in 2020? If Trump's DOJ attained a FISA warrant through opposition research by a company funded by the RNC, how would you feel? Would you defend it? If not, you are a partisan hypocrite, a hack, just like Steele himself. Remember, American jurisprudence is precedent-based. If opposition research can be used to attain a FISA warrants to spy on campaigns, then you are giving grounds of legitimacy for both sides to engage in this behavior. This would be a strike to the foundation of American republicanism.

What crimes?

You're saying that if it was not for the Mueller investigation, they would have gotten away with their crimes?

No one would have found out? Only Mueller could have discovered the crimes of these people?

And you're basing this on what exactly?

This is called guilt by association, a logical fallacy. If a friend of yours murders someone, does that mean you are guilty, too, because you were their friend? See how what you just said is a logical fallacy? Their crimes have nothing whatsoever to do with Trump, his campaign, or his administration.

 

I don't know. If it's illegal, I think people should be locked up. But that doesn't remove the fact that Trump and his accomplices are criminals.

What is not fact-free is that Trump belongs in prison. The evidence is now clear.

Obstruction of justice! For starters. You want a list? I'll update my chart.

What an absurd question! I'm sure there are many prosecutors that are as honest and as thorough as Mueller So? Your point? No point? I didn't think so.

Oh.... you could not have said anything more absurd. Guilt by association applies only if there were no other relation between Trump and the crimes they committed other than the fact that he knew the persons that committed them. That is not the case. Trump attempted to obstruct the investigations. And he used his influence to expose national security....

 

There was no obstruction of justice. At no point did Trump impede this investigation.

Bill Clinton meeting Inspector General of the U.S. Department of Justice, Loretta Lynch, on a tarmac, while his wife is being investigated by the FBI seems to be much greater evidence of obstruction of justice than the, at best, flimsy evidence of obstruction of justice by Trump: https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...ch-meeting-phoenix-airport-details/703771002/

My point is that Special Counsel investigations are not prerequisites for people to be charged and convicted of crimes. The Mueller report was not needed to carry out that function. It is my contention that Mueller charged these people, so the media could make the same guilt-by-association logical fallacies that you are making right now to hoodwink stupid Americans, such as the 1 in 3 stupid Americans who thought that a foreign power was going to change their vote in the 2018 midterm election.

He did not obstruct the investigations. He let this circus, this miscarriage of justice, go on to its termination.

 

Mueller begs to differ.

Who is that? If it's somebody who broke the law, I'm sure Trump must have put him in jail by now, right? I mean, he has had control of both chambers of Congress for 2 years, plus the Presidency of course, SCOTUS and he appointed scores of U.S. Attorneys. So, unless Trump is an incompetent oaf, that guy has to be in jail, right?

 

Point to me where Mueller says Trump obstructed justice. You can't. Because he did not say he did. In fact, it's not in his purview to do so. To Mueller's credit, he did not pull a James Comey by giving his opinion on whether Trump obstructed justice or not. That's was one of the major reasons why Comey was fired by the way.

He should be. There is more obstruction of justice in what Bill Clinton did than anything you could point to what Trump did. My friend, you are simply suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome.

 

There are at least 8 instances. Here are 2 examples.

Substantial evidence indicates that the catalyst for the President 's decision to fire Corney was Corney 's unwillingness to publicly state that the President was not personally under investigation , despite the President's repeated requests that Corney make such an announcement. (P75)

Substantial evidence indicates that the President's attempts to remove the Special Counsel were linked to the Special Counsel's oversight of investigations that involved the President's conduct- and, most immediately , to reports that the President was being investigated for potential obstruction of justice. (P89)​

Barr lied to you. But Fox and Hannity and their media bubble are not going to tell you that. So you will keep denying it even as Trump is dragged to prison. So it's really not worth it to spend too much of my time reading the Mueller report to you.