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  1. Mr_Truth

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    Baloney. The time period covered in the Harvard report which showed 45,000 dead Americans every year included the Clinton administration.

    Let the new Holocaust begin ...
     
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    Again why did the Harvard report not mention alcohol and drug abuse as factors ??
     
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    Lets see if you can help your kind, with their Total War to try and Save BO peeps special package. :laughing:

    Shell-shocked Senate Democrats declare "total war" over Obamacare.....
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=484123&p=1066817010#post1066817010
     
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    Daesh started a while ago.
     
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    Went to my opthamologist to day for my every 6 month examination, my mother was blinded by glaucoma and my brother is on medication so it has been a regular examine for me for over 20 years and I have to go to an opthamologist. Before Obamacare screwed things up it was just considered a doctor visit and I paid my normal $25 copay. Now he is considered a "specialist" and I have to pay a $70 copay. Thank you Obamacare.
     
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    Some places are getting a 190% increase in premiums. SUCCESS!
     
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    Thanks for paying for the subsidies. :smile: Actually you situation is not funny at all. My niece didn't go into details but stated that ObamaCare caused her economic hardship as well.
     
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    Like millions of others, my bill last month for Obamacare = $ 0.00


    Thank you Mr Obama. Please remind others that they qualify for subsidies under your plan just like the Fortune 500 company employees get every year.
     
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    IIRC you are on Medicaid. And ObamaCare by the numbers is only an expansion of Medicaid. The additional people insured are on Medicaid.
     
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    Have you applied for the subsidy?
     
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    Let's also eliminate the tax deduction given to fortune 500 companies.
     
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    Block granting Medicaid to the states and learning from Scott Walker's reforms in WI which reduced those with Medicaid but also reduced the number of uninsured in WI by ~ 225,000.
     
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    Wisconsin "partially expanded eligibility for childless adults": http://urbanmilwaukee.com/2016/09/20/wisconsin-budget-uninsured-rate-declines-sharply/


    the Badger state did expand Medicaid: http://archive.jsonline.com/busines...cts-funding-for-it-b99677471z1-370564041.html


    and will use its own revenues to pay for it - no wonder why the state is in debt compared to Minnesota which has a lower uninsured number and a balanced budget: ''The Legislative Fiscal Bureau estimated in December that Wisconsin is on track to spend $678.6 million more through the fiscal year ending June 30, 2017, than the state would have had Walker accepted the federal money available through the law.''
     
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    A block grant is just a cut. And a particularly nasty one, as it converts Medicaid from a countercyclical program (generally it grows during recessions as people's income drops, and then shrinks as the economy recovers) to a program whose funding doesn't flex with enrollment.
     
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    Indiana expanded Medicaid by making it market oriented, the only State where premiums are not going to rise.
     
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    So did Arkansas, Iowa, Michigan, New Hampshire, and Pennsylvania (though Tom Wolf converted back to a traditional expansion after taking office).

    Next time someone tells you states don't have "flexibility" under the current program, remind them that actually states do.
     
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    Indiana had to pass review with HHS yearly.
     
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    No it isn't. The states can formulate programs which cover more people with access to more doctors (the local hospital emergency room where I live will not accept Medicaid patients) using the same funding. The states have been pushing for block grants for years. Insurance vouchers to purchase private sector policies would do this and eliminate a great deal of the fraud inherent in gov administered programs like Medicaid and Medicare.
     
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    That sounds great! What programs are those?

    You are aware that private insurance is more expensive than Medicaid, right?
     
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    The ones the states will create to insure more people.

    Not necessarily.
     
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    You saying they're going to cover more people (Medicaid under the ACA is for the first time a universal program for people under 138% FPL so I'm curious how that will work), with better access, and all while not spending any more money. Surely you can point to a blueprint for how that magical outcome will be achieved.

    Yes, necessarily. Medicaid pays the lowest prices for services in the country; if you move someone from Medicaid to a commercial product, spending on them will naturally go up. Substantially.
     
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    Priviatizing the system will result in better care and at lower insurance costs. The states can figure this out individually. Many health care providers will not accept Medicaid patients because they pay so low.
     
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