Mueller closing in on Trump in Russian probe

The progressive liberals do not care about facts. They are the stewards of goodness and faith in a preconceived conclusion is all that is needed.

 

If delusional belief in a preconceived conclusion to avoid the real reason for the loss of the 2016 Presidential election and over 1000 governance seats in the last decade is considered a credible behavior then yes - an A for effort.

 

Now that is fascinating. If I get your point, can you explain the process that Mueller and the state AG went through to strip the president of his constitutional right and absolute authority to grant pardons?

 

The President has FEDERAL pardon power, but absolutely no power over state.

 

Like when Obama lied by saying if you like your plan you can keep your plan?

Why wasn't he impeached for lying?

 

So what you're saying is, he doesn't have any deals in Russia.

 

He was too busy using Executive Privilege to avoid answering why they were forcing gun stores to sell guns to Mexican drug cartels.

 

They kind of skip over that point.

They think if Trump once thought about something that it actually happened.

 

No president is going to be impeached for lying unless it was to a grand jury like Clinton did.

 

this is a total non sequitur to the question of the effect of subpoenaing one's lawyer.

 

Or for selling guns to Mexican drug cartels that killed hundreds of people apparently.

 

What do you mean exactly by "the Russians? The Russian government?

I hope it wasn't illegal for Trump to be doing private investment deals with private Russia entities even if the government was "hacking the election."

I haven't seen evidence of either private deals with Russians, deals with the Russian government, or even hacking by the Russian government.

You Trump haters better hope Mueller finds hard evidence of the last two, or you're going to have egg all over your face. Of course, you may like eggs.

If Mueller finds evidence of hacking by entities with which Trump himself was doing business, and as a quid pro quo, you'll have a good case to impeach based on a conspiracy to violate election laws. My hunch is that Mueller won't find it.

But even if he does, remember that it's not enough for Mueller to simply make the claims. He will have to present the evidence and convince a grand jury to indict Trump, or Congress to file impeachment articles, and then he'll have to prove all those elements beyond a reasonable doubt.

How confident are you, really, that all of this is going to happen?

 

Its already been shown that there was no hack, it was a leak from inside the DNC.

This is why Mueller had to move his investigation away from the original task of proving Russia's interference in our election.

Now he's just running around looking for anything he can find so he doesn't find his reputation destroyed.

 

Word has that Mueller is co-ordinating with A NY state prosecutor regarding crimes committed in NY.

Which means no pardons there since Trump can only pardon himself or his buddies for Federal crimes.

Also if Trump were to find a way to fire Mueller...he can not fire a NY State prosecutor.

Trump is getting boxed in

 

Not a lot. But there has been that to. For the most part not very relevant garbage, though.

 

Yeah! Because Sean Hannity said it, right? And he would never lie!

 

I sent this a while back



Oh... I'm going to need to update that to include Abuse of Power.

 

More comedy from the progressive liberals. You can't make this up. Hilarious.

Again where are the crimes ??

 

Boxed in to what? Make a prediction as to where this is going. I make no predictions myself, but will wait for Mueller's report AND the trial of any charges that come out of it.

 

Their imaginations.

 

When we ask, "where are the crimes?" I think the Trump haters are latching on to this law and desperately hoping that it reaches Trump:

52 U.S. Code § 30121 - Contributions and donations by foreign nationals

(a) Prohibition It shall be unlawful for—
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make—
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
(b) “Foreign national” definedAs used in this section, the term “foreign national” means—
(1) a foreign principal, as such term is defined by section 611(b) of title 22, except that the term “foreign national” shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States ....

The closest I have seen to anything like this is the allegation that someone, I can't remember whom, reached out to Trump's son with an offer of information from a Russian source, and Trump appeared eager to hear what she had to say.

Nothing came of the meeting, but the problem for Trump Jr. is that the statute reaches "promises" to make a donation of "other thing of value." He didn't make the promise, of course, and Trump Jr. isn't Trump, but let's not assume that Mueller will let this pass. I can well imagine him alleging that the agreement to meet constituted an attempt to violate the above law.

Assuming they prove all that, it takes another leap to drag the president in to it. The haters will allege that Trump Jr. didn't do anything a this level without bringing his father in to the loop.

I don't see it as a problem for Trump Sr., even if he knew his son was walking on the edge of the line, just as I'm not guilty if I know my daughter is on her way to a bank with the intent to rob it.

 

Guess what?

Your interpretations don't mean diddly

 

You said Trump was "getting boxed in." Guess what? I know more about it than you do, and am still waiting for you to answer how he is getting boxed in, by whom, and in to what. If the best you can do is throw insults at people who ask you to justify your posts, you're not going to get very far.

 

Trump fans always ask for proof of the crimes Trump and others are accused of. Proof comes before a grand jury and, later, a trial. Prior to the grand jury proceedings being made public, prior to the findings of an impeachment trial being made public, we must talk about evidence, not proof. When the proof is presented, it is end of story where Trump is concerned.

In the meantime, there is plenty of evidence that Trump and his staff cooperated with the Russians. If you are interested in all this evidence, please consult another thread. It is entitled, "Trump's staff coordinated with the Russians during the election."

There is 54 pages of evidence and discussion. The evidence has been heavily sourced. So, if you are really curious about all the evidence go to that thread.