Mueller-Dämmerung

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  1. Plus Ultra

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    The consensus among those opposed to Trump is that Mueller’s report has plenty of evidence Trump colluded and obstructed, that Barr lied in his summary, and that this will be evident in the released report -unless Barr redacts it.

    I expect that unless the released report provides plenty of evidence Trump colluded and obstructed, Barr will be condemned for concealing Trump’s collusion and obstruction in the redactions.

    There will be a battle over those redactions because we already know Mueller’s report doesn’t have evidence of collusion and what evidence it does have of obstruction was deemed insufficient by Mueller, Rosenstein and Barr.

    What will those opposed to Trump do if the redactions don’t conceal evidence of collusion and obstruction?
     
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    Manafort's in jail. :)
     
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    Enjoy your consolation prize.
     
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    Speaking of consolation prizes, it seems the relatively light sentences to people associated with Trump for those "process crimes" involving mostly misrepresentations of unrelated matters, probably reflects the quality of evidence Mueller was able to obtain.

    It bothers me that the US has what can best be described as formidable intelligence resources, both domestic and overseas. The CIA is a global force known for infiltrating the best of their rivals anywhere, with thousands of specialized analysts monitoring everything that happens all over the world on an inside track. The NSA (as Snowden revealed) has awesome technology that sweeps up all forms of telecommunications and instantly scans it all for all of its contents and all of the contents each source has ever transmitted, plus that of every connection its has made. There's the DIA for the military and specialized intelligence agencies monitoring nuclear development and capabilities around the world, other agencies to monitor specific online activities, satellite monitoring analysis examining thousands of high definition images from around the world, financial transaction tracking, patent, copyright and other intellectual property surveillance, even the postal service is involved. The FBI itself has tremendous resources and is involved not just in investigating crimes, as they have a well-developed counterintelligence arm. Hillary famously referred to seventeen different agencies. There are international arrangements to share intelligence too. All of these resources were available to Mueller, and they're 'self-propelled' too, they'll search and investigate without any orders from him.

    Nonetheless, despite this vast network of highly specialized and quite diverse intelligence gathering resources, there appears to have been a dearth of evidence on this collusion with Russia. Are we supposed to believe Trump, of all people, was capable of conspiring with Russian intelligence to defeat his rival in the election and able to conceal any evidence of this from the entire intelligence community?

    The other issue, and I've mentioned this before, is the incongruous situation where Russian agents obtain valuable and highly compromising information about Hillary (then the prognosticated next president by an ample majority) and decide that instead of holding back and using that valuable information to extract concessions from her once she gets elected, they'll give it away to this deplorable candidate nobody thinks has the slightest chance of winning, but has purportedly has promised them to lift sanctions. Wouldn't one expect that by now, half way through Trump's term, Putin would be threatening disclosure of evidence of Trump's collusion since he still hasn't lifted those sanctions?
     
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