Mueller-Dämmerung

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  1. JIMV

    JIMV Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The entire 'investigation' follies has simply been about half the electorate having a hissie-fit, a collective tantrum, when their inevitable candidate lost. In a just society the folk involved in plotting the investigation scheme would be jailed BUT, they are dems so little will be done except shaming.
     
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    Yeah, but you know that one little comment spawned investigations like a big tornado spins off thunder storms.
    Trump & the kids are still deep in the woods.
     
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    Here is the thing - Even if information comes out - such as what Hillary/DNC was doing to Bernie - and the source of this information is Russia - is this a bad thing ?

    The claim was being made "Russia harmed our electoral process".

    My question is this. How exactly does the voter knowing "The Truth" - regardless of where that truth comes from - "Harm" our electoral process ?
     
  4. Plus Ultra

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    I don't know about their immunity agreements, but would note reference to Weisselberg (Trump's CFO) was by Cohen, who indicated the he arranged the payments (to silence some pole dancer) were made by Weisselberg in installments to simulate Cohen's retainer, and because Trump didn't want the pole dancer's disclosures to interfere with his campaign.

    I'd note it is also possible Trump didn't want the pole dancer talking for entirely personal reasons, as this would interfere with his marriage, nothing to do with any campaign. Also I'd consider disbarred Mr. Cohen's reputation for veracity as he's pled guilty to perjury in his testimony before Congress.
     
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    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

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    The Rams didn't lose to the Patriots; the 12,387th quarter is about to begin, and they can STILL win! :spin:
     
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    No collusion according to Barr:
    You can read Barr's summary at the link.
     
  7. Gatewood

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    You mean those MATURE people who represent the collective Left like Chris Matthews and Rachel Maddow of MSNBC who pretty much freaked out on camera once it was revealed that Mueller would issue or recommend no additional indictments? Those . . . mature . . . people?
     
  8. JakeStarkey

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    For now, that is the finding.
     
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    Never fear. The smears of Barr have begun!
     
  10. JakeStarkey

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    No one is smearing Barr and no one will, because he will be a good AG.

    He will not earn brownie points with Trump.
     
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    Possible, but not likely according to the SDNY sentencing documents.

    “The Office also announced today that it has previously reached a non-prosecution agreement with AMI, in connection with AMI’s role in making the above-described $150,000 payment before the 2016 presidential election,” the U.S. attorney’s office said in a statement on Cohen’s sentencing. “As a part of the agreement, AMI admitted that it made the $150,000 payment in concert with a candidate’s presidential campaign, and in order to ensure that the woman did not publicize damaging allegations about the candidate before the 2016 presidential election. AMI further admitted that its principal purpose in making the payment was to suppress the woman’s story so as to prevent it from influencing the election.”

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/ami-sdny-non-prosecution-agreement

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    I don't know what Weisselberg testified to, but suspect it was knowing about what he was paying for.
     
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  12. Fred C Dobbs

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    And that's when this all started?

    This guy should win the Pulitzer Prize. though leftists will cover their eyes and block their ears. A neat summarization.
     
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    So here we are...2 1/2 years and 30 million dollars later and we have nothing. The 'Investigation' has now become a Zombie Investigation from the Democrat controlled House. The stinking corpse shambles about between democrat media sources like CNN and MSNBC all the while trying to be relevant while layers of credibility slough off...

    Give them pity,these hulking wrecks of once credible politicians and media stars...

    They blew it.
     
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    JIMV, it is less than two years in the Mueller investigation.

    AG Barr wrote clearly that the findings did not exonerate Trump.

    The other investigations will continue.
     
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    You really should put this Russia thing in contect. Had others been more curious as to the facts many millions would have been saved and politicians may have done some real work for the people. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...d-trump-my-decision-to-fire-james-comey-video
     
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    You're really setting yourself for further disappointment.
     
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    AG Barr wrote that Trump was not exonerated, Fred C Dobbs.
     
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    What do you think of Alan's take?
     
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    I think that Barr's is more important.
     
  20. AmericanNationalist

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    Barr most certainly did clear Trump of obstruction. The only thing that line said, is that Special Counsel left prosecuting decisions up to the AG/DAG. That's it. And Rosenstein approved.

    ENOUGH. Go pray that the NY attorneys have something on him(I mean, you should be wanting to work with the POTUS but that's not possible.)
     
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    It is very difficult to remove the President even if there was evidence of wrong doing, which there was. Look at what happened after Republicans impeached Clinton!
     
  22. Thought Criminal

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    They seem to have settled on "Trump's hand-picked Attorney General".

    https://freebeacon.com/politics/cnn...onspiracy-theory-about-barr-with-no-evidence/

    https://www.breitbart.com/clips/201...-put-very-little-credence-in-what-hes-saying/

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/03/au...ind-trust-barr-report-record-exonerating-gop/

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/03/na...bill-barr-release-mueller-report-immediately/
     
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    Mueller apparently did actually exonerate Trump of collusion with Russia to defeat Hillary in the election. Barr's summary of Mueller's report indicates Mueller searched for evidence of express or tacit agreements between Trump and anyone associated with him with Russians or agents of the Russian government, and couldn't find any. Mueller found different efforts by agents of the Russian government to offer help in Trump's campaign, but no acceptance or agreement from anyone on Trump's team for that help.

    On the obstruction claim Mueller didn't reach any conclusion:
    This seems to indicate Mueller considered the claim and included evidence, Barr and Rosenstein found that evidence insufficient.

    Maybe Barr is misreading Mueller's report, likely Pelosi and others would interpret it differently, it should be made public. I suspect Mueller did a very thurough job, that he looked everywhere, interviewed everyone, pursued every lead, used informants, undercover agents, the most skilled detectives, experts in every field, who scrutinized tons of documents. They found some very arcane material relating to questionable transactions implicating half a dozen of Trump's team in fraudulent transactions years before they had anything to do with Trump.

    As I've noted before, obstruction of justice is a somewhat ambiguous charge, whether something said or done impedes, interferes or influences the prosecution of justice can be very subjective, this is probably why Mueller left this for Barr and Rosenstein to decide. All of these people are very skilled, they know a lot about the law, government and how the law applies to it too.
     
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    Not quite. Barr said the report did not exonerate Trump.
     
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    Barr said the report did not exonerate Trump from criminal activity.
     

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