Mueller Finds 10 Obstruction Cases That Barr Says Aren't Crimes

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    There is nothing in the report that is illegal
     
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    I think the report makes trump look pretty good
     
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    No indictments of not only Trump, but also no one who served in his election campaign, no one in his family, and no one in his administration, none of whom, besides Trump, are sitting Presidents.
     
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    *LOFL*!!

    Whew---
     
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    Yes, how impressive to be called a ******** for over 400 pages.

    Aim high, my friend.
     
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    And failure is the lefts claim to fame.
     
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    Stricken as non-responsive.
     
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    Mueller failed in his assigned mission to bring down trump
     
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    many on his campaign have plead guilty
     
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    Mostly of charges unrelated to trump
     
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    trivialize his sleazy mob boss irresponsible behavior. Yep what a stand up guy ya got there, leading you to greatness.

    America gets bent over by the Russians and all he cares about is the "legitimacy" of his presidency. Nope its all a democratic witchhunt to channel their butt hurt over their election loss.

    Truly unpatriotic blind partisan support for their dear leader who can't even get his lackeys to do his illegal bidding. No clothes on that fat slug.
     
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    You are actually Don, Jr.! Nobody would be posting this nonsense except for a family member, or senile Rudy.

    What valuable prize did I win?
     
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    Having nothing to do with collusion or obstruction.
     
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    I don’t think you realize how compromising your assertion is.
     
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    Since obstruction requires criminal intent. Look it up.


    Spin what? The Left keeps repeating the lie that Trump never admitted there was interference. Obama stopped any further action to stop Russian interference and yet the Left cry wanting to know what the GOP is going to do. Have you not heard of the sanctions already put on Russia? Maybe FB should monitor their platform closer to keep the Russian trolls off. Then maybe Trump can go after the Aussie and German trolls who are constantly posting their drivel all over social media.

    More than Obama did.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/02/us/politics/russia-election-interference.html
     
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    If so why dont you ‘splain it to me?
     
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    Which simply didn't address the observation. No one suggested that Mueller would have tried. Did I? And since I didn't assert it, why did you spin your way to it? More, the original observation is still true. The 10 lines of investigation led to nothing that Mueller could indict on, let alone overcome the executive privilege. Hyper ventilating about it doesn't help your narrative.
     
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    What do you define as "executive privilege"?

    And, I've read the report; you're simply wrong. Mueller specifically noted the DOJ policy that a sitting (on his brains) president may not be indicated, and noted that Congress can take action against a "corrupt" chief executive.
     
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    There are a great number of things that are illegal. You believe that Mueller noted that Congress can deal with a "corrupt" chief executive because Bonespurs didn't do anything "illegal"?

    One item that is not in there are campaign finance violations. That matter is currently being handled by the SDNY office.
     
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    [GASP] 10 cases! Barr's obstructing! NADLER TIME! :roflol:
     
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    1 count of felonious bonespurring? Must be redacted. :lol:
     
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    The report makes it clear trump is relly trying to make America better off
     
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    Mueller is a political assassin appointed to drive trump out of office any way he can
     
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    You're relying on what to make this claim? Mueller said he didn't pass judgment on the facts he the proceeded to lay out.

    "Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President's conduct. The evidence we obtained about the President's actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment. At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."​

    He explained his choice not to decide, in part:

    "Third, we considered whether to evaluate the conduct we investigated under the Justice Manual standards governing prosecution and declination decisions, but we determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the President committed crimes. The threshold step under the Justice Manual standards is to assess whether a person's conduct 'constitutes a federal offense.' U.S. Dep't of Justice, Justice Manual§ 9-27. (2018) (Justice Manual). Fairness concerns counseled against potentially reaching that judgment when no charges can be brought. The ordinary means for an individual to respond to an accusation is through a speedy and public trial, with all the procedural protections that surround a criminal case. An individual who believes he was wrongly accused can use that process to seek to clear his name. In contrast, a prosecutor's judgment that crimes were committed, but that no charges will be brought, affords no such adversarial opportunity for public name-clearing before an impartial adjudicator.

    The concerns about the fairness of such a determination would be heightened in the case of a sitting President, where a federal prosecutor's accusation of a crime, even in an internal report, could carry consequences that extend beyond the realm of criminal justice. OLC noted similar concerns about sealed indictments. Even if an indictment were sealed during the President's term, OLC reasoned, 'it would be very difficult to preserve [an indictment 's] secrecy,' and if an indictment became public, '[t]he stigma and opprobrium" could imperil the President's ability to govern.' Although a prosecutor's internal report would not represent a formal public accusation akin to an indictment, the possibility of the report's public disclosure and the absence of a neutral adjudicatory forum to review its findings counseled against potentially determining 'that the person's conduct constitutes a federal offense.' Justice Manual §9-27."​

    This won't go away because Mueller will be called to testify before Congress.

    You'll have to make your case on the evidence.
     

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