Mueller opens the curtains

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  1. RodB

    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    In a bold audacious move Mueller has shed what is left of the coup’s camouflage and put the coup under bright spot lights.

    It is reported that Mueller has prepared nearly 50 questions that he wants to ask Trump and feels are important to the Russian-Trump election links and/or coordination. I counted 44 questions that the NY Times somehow got from the leak-tight Mueller camp. I counted six directly related to the so-called Russian investigation, and I’m being generous with 2 or 3.

    It is obvious Mueller is looking for something related to obstruction of justice and does not care about Russia and the election, other than for show. This beside the fact there is no probable cause, only wishful suspicion, for any obstruction of justice. Obstruction of justice requires conscious, physical and deliberate effort to impede an investigation into an actual crime. None of this has been shown. Secondly, in a court of law, obstruction by a president would have a mile high bar if not be impossible to charge.

    Almost all of Mueller’s questions are not even related to what would be process (as opposed to actual) crimes, but questions of feelings and thoughts: “what did you think about that? What did someone comment to you about this? What opinion did you have about such and such?” These questions would usually not be permitted in, say, a grand jury of even a citizen witness. They are clearly inappropriate for an underling (or anyone else) to ask a president, either in front of a grand jury or in a conference room. A president’s thoughts and feelings are US top confidential and he does not have to disclose them to anybody. More to the point there is no crime possible with thoughts and feelings.

    Mueller cannot indict a sitting president according to DOJ rules opined by both Republican and Democrat administrations. Therefore he cannot subpoena him to a grand jury, especially if he is not a target, which Mueller has said, but most assuredly if he is just a witness about someone else’s crime.

    The key point is that Mueller knows all of the above. However, he does not care. If he wanted to ask the president serious direct questions his only avenue would be through private confidential written correspondence. It would not be through leaking the questions to the media. The only reason there is for leaking to the media is to hopefully build up public and political animosity against the president, with the maybe end result that the questions become the basis for a bill of impeachment particulars. Point man Mueller’s sole effort and objective is to overthrow a duly elected president under the cover and charade of impeachment.

    I have been heavily criticized for supporting Trump, but my true and ardent support is for the Constitutional presidency of the United States. I abhor and will fight like hell to protect that from all enemies, foreign or domestic, misguided or not.
     
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    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    The leak came from trump's lawyers.

    And it is only the tip of the iceberg. This isn't a list of questions. It is a list of topics!

    Lying Donny is going to run like hell. LOL!
     
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    Mueller didn't write the questions, one of Trump's lawyers, Jay Sekulow did. Trump's guys also leaked the questions Sekulow wrote - no doubt to try and politically influence things a bit. Who says Mueller can't issue Trump a subpoena? And I agree, Mueller's team is investigating enemies foreign & domestic, on behalf of all Americans.
     
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    I was bout to apologize but it is messier than that. Here is the reported info:
    • That document was provided to The Times by a person outside Mr. Trump’s legal team.
    • Times reporter Michael Schmidt elaborated on MSNBC, seeming to confirm that the document came from Trump’s side
    Who is "outside Trump's legal team?" And seemingly confirmed? What is that?
     
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    The leaks are from Trump.

    Trump has been driven into the enclosed ring, from which he cannot escape.

    The picadors are entering, to be followed by the matador.

    There is no escape.
     
  6. RodB

    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    Here is how it was reported: "That document was provided to The Times by a person outside Mr. Trump’s legal team," and "Times reporter Michael Schmidt elaborated on MSNBC, seeming to confirm that the document came from Trump’s side."
    The DOC Legal opinion office (from both Democrat and Republican administrations) has said a sitting president cannot be indicted which makes a subpoena moot.
    Mueller is not investigation any enemies, foreign or domestic.
     
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    No one has reported that.
     
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    Yeah, they have, and yeah, you know.
     
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    I see the problem, you are referring to the NYT story 2 nights ago, you should get caught up with the WAPO story last night - Jay Sekulow wrote the questions, not Mueller's team (they wouldn't write such amateurish material) and someone in Trump world leaked Sekulow's questions. Do try to keep up......

    Umm, no a subpoena is not moot.........and yes, Mueller is investigating enemies, foreign and domestic. At least 13 Russians have been indicted so far and a couple of Americans (Manafort & Gates) have been charged with "engaging in a conspiracy against the United States" among many other charges. Sounds like foreign & domestic enemies to me......
     
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    I do hope the NY Times publishes a retraction on who they said provided them the questions.
     
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    Do you have proof of that? Why would the NYT run with a story from Trump's lawyers? That makes little sense...
     
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    Have you had a chance yet to correct that from Mueller to trump's attorneys?
     
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    Your comment makes no sense.
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How so? What possible gain would Trump get from having these questions public? Why would a lefty rag use a Trump lawyer as source and not name them? This has lefty trash written all over it. The broken witch hunt team is clearly incapable of maintaining its integrity, it should be ended immediately...
     
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    Trump's people release the material then blame Mueller using the 'witch hunt' nonsense.

    Why are you acting like an accessory after the fact in defending the indefensible. Let Mueller do his job.
     
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    Roger Stone.
     
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    Because it is news. That's what they do.
     
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    They won't have to. After all, there are plenty of current and formers in the Trump orbit who could have done this. Chief among them is Roger Stone. Joe DiGenova also comes to mind. Even though Trump didn't put him on his legal team, he's obviously going around carrying Trump's water in the media.

    And since the leak is designed to get right wing media thinking about obstruction, and reinforcing its baseless meme that there is nothing to any collusion case, it served their purpose.
     
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    Point one, not a coup, and suggesting such a thing is preposterous.
    Point two, the leak didn't come from Mueller, it came from Team Drumpf.

    So........how can we take you seriously when you post hyperbolic nonsense?
     
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    Did Trump's lawyers tell you that? ;-)
     
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    Sekulow wrote the questions? Source please.

    Do you have any evidence that Mueller and his team are competent professionals?
     
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    What evidence do you have that the leak came from the Trump team?
     
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    There is little evidence that Mueller or his team ever had any integrity to maintain.
    That is probably why they were chosen.
     
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