Mueller should submit his report soon, Trump is getting dangerous

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  1. btthegreat

    btthegreat Well-Known Member

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    You don't know who I did or did not want impeached, and have not bothered to ask or research. I want the man driven from office, not impeached on legal grounds. that why I supported Pelosi He's too ineffectual in his efforts to obstruct, to be a national threat on that basis. Pay attention to nuance and you might learn.
     
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    btthegreat Well-Known Member

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    An isolated act gets you miles down a track. Nuance in numbers is important too,
     
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    Facts remain:
    -You want your standard to apply in whatever way it suits you best at a given moment.
    -That's not the behavior of an adult.
    - Federal felonies are federal felonies.
    - Democrats do not believe perjury and obstruction committed while in office are impeachable offenses.
    Period.
    How, exactly, do you plan to "force" him from office, outside an impeachment and conviction?
    Scream at the sky?
     
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  4. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There have been a number of suits filed to deny Obama's legitimacy based on the birther conspiracy theory started by Trump and Corsi. How does that apply to your confusion over the fully constitutional process of investigating Team Trump by Republicans?
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wanna bet?
     
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    Good thing you changed that from "you lie a lot".
     
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    Facts remain.
    -You don't know my standard. You have not asked. So far its all about YOUR standard.
    - That is not the behavior of an adult.
    - Felonies are felonies
    - You see nuance or context when they is convenient like 'federal' or 'in office' , and you discard others when it is convenient.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Obama mess was created by Democrats. I reminded you is all. Trump nor Corsi started it. Berg is the mans name that is the person suing Obama over the birther issue. I understand some democrat protest he got it from some guy in Illinois. But that dude in Illinois did not sue Obama. Berg the Democrat did to help out Hillary.

    I can't reply to your question since i am not confused, plus I have not said checking into Trump is not constitutional. It looks pathetic to do it since the well came up dry as to claims made by Democrats against Trump.

    But had a Republican sued Trump, I would not try to blame it on you Democrats. And that is my view of how you sued Obama and now want to blame republicans for what you did. (you = democrats)

    Stop to think. Trump never sued Obama. Berg did sue Obama over the birther issue. Do you get the difference? (Berg is the Democrat lawyer who supported Hillary)
     
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    That is just your opinion, as faulty as it is. Clinton is the only president to be subpoenaed to appear as a sitting president under oath before a grand jury. Quit searching for stupid little faulty loopholes.

    If you don't like the theory and philosophy of serving the president, think of the practicalities. Who would have served the subpoena? US Marshals? How would they get passed the white house gate? Or if the president was out and about, how would they get passed the secret service? I can see the headlines now: Secret Service kills US Marshals as they try to inflict harm on the president. Or what if the president just dumped it into the wastebasket? Is some judge going to complain that that was a naughty thing to do? Or will the judge send the US Marshals, again, to arrest, cuff the president, and cart him to the judges court? LOL. Good luck with that. Now we would have a dozen dead marshals and a blown up paddy wagon to boot.

    Do you have any clue why the DOJ has said twice that the president cannot be indicted? It is because the president is only one person who can constitutionally be commander in chief and the head on the Executive branch of the government. It would upset the entire purpose of the constitution if a lawyer somewhere could just take the president out with a piece of paper signed by some guy who sits around in a black robe. If you think that is what the framers -- in their wildest imagination -- had in mind, you have another think coming.
     
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    every dem is more honest then Trump
     
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    What actually happened is he was subpoenaed. He had every expectation the subpoena would be enforced which is why he agreed to testify. Anything else is just spin.
     
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    Examine the Bill Clinton matter. Democrats prevented Clinton from being convicted in his impeachment trial. By the way, so did several republicans.
     
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    Trump is President, blame him if your not happy with the way things going
     
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    "Maybe not all felonies are the same. Maybe on circumstances are the same. Maybe some crimes are worthy of impeachment, while others are not."
    All I need to know - thanks.
    You want your standard to apply in whatever way it suits you best at a given moment. That's not the behavior of an adult.
    Feel free to show otherwise.

    Now, tell us:
    How, exactly, do you plan to "force" him from office, outside an impeachment and conviction?
    Scream at the sky?
     
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    To quote my signature: "When you’re losing an argument, you still have the viable option of throwing out some insults." Oscar Wilde
     
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    Trump doesn't have the balls to testify under Oath
     
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    I should be surprised you said that. But frankly thus far i have seen no honest Democrat. Perhaps if you named one. Give me a try. Name an honest Democrat. If you do, i will do my best to admit you found one.
     
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    So, you won't mind if Trump handles it all? And leaves out Democrats?
     
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    Frankly there we might agree. But I have first to check with Trump. Do you mind holding on? He may ignore my question.

    I sent the following to President Trump. We will find out if he bothers to reply.

     
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    Not surprisingly you misinterpreted what I meant by what I wrote.
     
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    Not an insult. Its human nature to be scared when faced with a loss of control. Embrace it.
     
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    The differences as succinctly pointed n the DOJ opinion is the president is one person and the only person authorized to carry out the executive branch of the government. A federal judge is one of about a thousand. Few would notice missing one judge for a while. Missing the president for a while would destroy the country.
     
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    Are you confused about whether he has already refused?
     
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    FREE SPEECH????? That's dumber than "criticism."
     
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    LOl. the department of justice is
    Not dumber than calling of lot of it you don't like, an effort at a coupe d'état. It must hurt you a lot when your man gets attacked. You lose perspective.
     
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