Musical melodies.

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  1. Brett Nortje

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    Previously, i have messed around with music and mathematics. i found that there was supposed to be a few perfect melodies, artistically, with some of the notes being excluded and only working with the ratio of something or other. these notes were few, and i found that combining them into a melody, which i have yet to hear, would result in what amounts to fractals in art.

    So, first we need to bridge the gap between people that 'like different music.' this is completely untrue, as, everybody likes good songs of every genre of music, it is just a identity they seek in looking to a certain genre, of course. but, even if this was to be true, we could easily port the melodies from one side to another, yes? this means that a typical tune could be played on a rock guitar, a piano maybe, or even through a dee jays turntables.

    Now, if we are to continue, we need to find a way to analyze old tunes of pure ecstacy and then find out why they are that good? remember the first time you hear a new tune, you actually get excited and such, or, if it is manly music, a bit brutal? this is because the sensation you feel the first time will be drowned out by your body finding homeostasis emotionally quite quickly, of course.
     
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    I would like to make you aware of the objective study of music. this would make all music use the same notation, obviously with new notes coming in, as there will be different instruments noted on the front of the text of music, and then different ways to pluck notes, and for how long, and for whichever blowing or string plucking place. this would mean that if you were to blow, say on a trumpet, three different ways, you could edit each note you blow with a 'different button' where you edit your own blowing. i cannot see there being more then three major ways to blow, so, maybe using color for the musical text would show how to blow, hard, moderate or soft, yes?

    When it comes to different styles of music, these are merely different ways of activating your instrument, of course. these ways of activation would make for a basic speed and how long you hold the notes down for different styles, basically.

    So, the holding down of the note could be denoted by 'a number showing seconds' to the right of the note, yes? this would mix different regional music quite easily for the scholars to learn and artists to play, of course.
     
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    When it comes to actual tunes, the mind decides what 'sounds nice.' this is typically a new tune, one that pushes boundaries of common music, where the tune will be 'sharp' or 'hypnotically dull.' this would be where it either teases your senses into reactions based on how 'catchy' it is, how the senses get teased from one note to the next, or how long the chords are, or how soothing they are to the ear, of course.

    With sharp music, we look to get excited by the tune. this would be a lot of short chords mixed together to get the senses to react in a way where they are teased into a 'all over body workout.' for example, sometimes, the more empathic of people, will feel their inner thighs get teased when they hear of pain or see it. this is where the body will let off some reactions, in the biggest part of the human body - knowing which chords tweak which parts of the body will reveal how to give the person an 'all over body teasing.' like i said, it needs to be brisk to get the best results.

    With soothing music, one needs to dull the senses of these areas we spoke of. of course, if we were to analyze the whole body with chords, we would find that they get used to these sounds and then expect them. this means that every song we make will only be great the first few time the person hears it. to make it good all the time, the song should change chords keeping the tune, of course.

    To make things catchy, we need to give off a beat that holds to a certain theme. if you were to analyze any of the sons on radio, they are all hits, which means they were catchy once. this comes from us as children hearing the music of our parents, where we learn these sounds as being for them, and then hear of something else being for us. catchy songs would be where the sounds are 'sharp and uplifting,' and will start low and end high, like the song i am listening to at the moment. this will 'bring us down,' knowing we are about to 'go up,' so we get excited as if we were up, then go up even further when the chords resume their high notes.
     
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    So, why do we hear music but animals do not? maybe it is because of our heightened sense of fear? i put it down to awareness being the sensitivity of nerves and this comes from the feeling of fear, as, instead of having heightened senses, we instead have a brain that processes better for the sake of survival - that being that we are as aware as possible. but the actual way it works leads us to a state of apathy towards out environment regarding the habitat we live in. this is because we are dulled into instead of fearing the worst, rejoicing at the best we can expect, usually.

    How come animals do not recognize music? the answer must be that, seeing as how plants recognize it, the animals should at least feel the music. i know they hear firecrackers, so it makes sense that they hear something, unless their ear hairs are too big proportionally or for their size, leading to a big hair to hear big things, and small hairs to hear small things, while we have moderate hairs to hear moderate things. this means if we set the frequency high enough, with enough 'charge' or 'volume' - volume being a physical part of the message, remember? - and then the animals will hear it. of course, why do we want animals to hear it?

    Now, if we were to observe that music plays on our emotions, we could submit each chord to a mood ring color, the color the ring takes on should be constant, as it is the same chord universally, and, this will give off the same color, being about fourteen of them with some in between them.

    ~ This proves that every chord makes the same emotion, so, some people feel safer, some feel excited, but we all still feel the same way physically. this comes down to us being very similar in biology, which would mean that the same test done ont he same species would yield the same results, penicillin for example would cure any of us of many diseases.
     
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    Brett I found out very recently you're over thinking it, people nowadays only want a beat to thrust their pelvis back and thro.
     
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    Uncle Ferd can play...

    ... My Dog has Fleas...

    ... onna ukelele...

    ... do dat count?
     
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    do you thrust your pelvis while you play? if you say yes it counts :roflol:
     
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    Scarlet is right, people of today wouldn't know music even if you shoved it up their arse. :nod:
     
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    Okay, so, if you were to observe that there are cultural tendencies, and that american music is popular everywhere, more than their own music, then you would conclude that american music is evidence that everybody likes the same music, yes? it is only through a sense of pride that some cultures still embrace the music of their forefathers, as, they will be accustomed or conditioned to the music. this is like eating pies and finding one that you consider superior, with others that you consider superior, yes? this is evidenced in that most pies of the same kind get sold out or made in bulk every day at bakeries, of course. these are just popular.

    So, how did each culture arrive with their 'heritage of music?' this would have to be because they all started with a different instrument, or, accepted standards of instruments, yes? this would lead to seasons also playing a role in what music is played - those finding a dry stick in winter with a dry vine might like the music it makes, as they learn to play it that season, and, then they would not look for other instruments, of course. if they were to find something that makes a 'nice noise,' they would settle for it.

    Now, if all the instruments of the world were to converge on the same field, as is the case today, then there would be favourites, as open minds would find new tastes, and closed minds will try to shove their opinions down yours, of course. therefore, it is safe to say al cultures are the same in this regard too, as there are patterns and constants, the 'exactness of any is as yet unclear.'

    ~ This follows from my dress, fashion, garments findings on other forums. if you were to all live in the same city, there would be a psychological way to affect the person wearing them, and the person seeing them being worn, as, due to sensitivity - that straying away from primitiveness, or, 'lack of progress' - would be less lavish in their plethora of options, of course.
     
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    I saw this on my Facebook today...
     
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    I can see and understand the basic points that the OP is making, but I feel that there is a huge missing piece that I would feel that the OP's premise is seriously undermined.

    There is plenty of ear candy music that is and should be dismissed by music lovers as being formulaic and contrived. One could make a case that new age music, music theory composers such as Barry Manilow, and musical jingles for hamburger chains are designed or even engineered to create an earworm that sticks in one's mind based on mathematical principles for tone frequencies and chord structures.

    If you look at a pure tone created by an 8-bit oscillator (think background music for the NES game console for the original Mario Brothers) and compare it to the impure and outright messy tonal outputs of a Stradivarius violin and I believe most people would prefer the messy and complex tones of the violin. Why is that? People often say there is a lot more 'warmth' in the tone of a violin.

    I believe that the warmth that people refer to in musical tones is the ability to connect with one's emotions. People like music that can create an emotional connection and emotional connection cannot be quantified, counted, or engineered. People related to the Rolling Stone's Street Fighting Man in all its sloppy playing, sloppy rhythm, messy bass line, and ragged vocals because they could feel the rage, a negative emotion, more than they related to the Percy Faith String Orchestra in all its mathematical, tonal, and rhythm perfection which makes me want to get to the floor I need to go to and get out of the elevator as quickly as possible.

    And even if one were to come up with a warmth algorithm to be programmed into a song, I still feel people would reject it as pretty noise, as opposed to music, because they would know that the music was emotionless.

    The OP does bring up a very interesting proposition, but I respectfully feel that without emotion, music is simply noise.
     
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    I just saw this on FB.
     

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