Muslims admit Jewish Temple was in Jerusalem

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    When Omar took Jerusalem he cleaned the site up.
     
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    Muslims also believe that they've already established the Third Temple.

    Read this from "JewsforAllah"

    "Masjid ul Aqsa is the reconstructed Third Temple.

    One of the highest aspirations of _today's_ Israeli government is to build the "Third Temple" (the third renovation of Solomon's temple which has been destroyed twice before in history), there is only one issue, the House of prayer "Masjid-ul-Aqsa" now stands in the same exact location.

    First Temple in 960 BC, Solomon is believed to have erected it to house the Ark of the Covenant which his father, David, had brought to Jerusalem. The temple was burned to the ground by the Babylonians in 586 BC.

    The Second Temple was consecrated in 515 BC, rebuilt by Herod in 20 BC and destroyed by Titus in 70 AD.

    The Byzantine Christians used the area as a dump and it was in this state that a Muslim, Caliph Omar Ibn al-Khattab, found it. In 638 AD. he ordered the place cleaned and built a House of Prayers at the southern end of the sanctuary, the apparent Third Temple " Masjid-ul-Aqsa".[/B

    Masjid-ul-Aqsa was completed by Amir Abd ul Malik in 647 AD.

    With these observations in mind, the question is , has another sect of Jews co-orchestrated the Job of building the Third Temple ? *Jews for Allah* . It is well documented that Israelis along side their ancestral brothers, the Arabs, participated in the construction of Masjid-ul-Aqsa.

    For example, Ka'ab al-Ahbar, a Yemenite Jew who converted to Islam was a co-engineer in the construction. [Al-Tabari, The History of al-Tabari, Vol XII]

    Furthermore, it would have been impossible to clean the area containing decades of Byzantine litter and build this Holy Temple in only 10 years (no electricity), without the cooperation and assistance of the thousands of Jews in Jerusalem.

    The inhabitants of Israel left the Temple of Solomon a pile of rubble and garbage for almost (Six Hundred Years, nearly 10 generations of Israelis) 70 AD -to- 647 AD, until it was finally beautifully restored by the unity of Jews and ancestral brothers of Jews, the Muslims.

    Muslims do not claim to worship a different God than the Jewish God, in fact, just the opposite, Muslims declare they worship the God of Abraham, hence the Masjid-ul-Aqsa is in fact the restoration of the Temple Mount by direct descendants of Prophet Abraham.

    What's more, during one of the Crusades, the Crusaders thought the Masjid-ul-Aqsa was Solomon's temple and put a cross on it! If they had known that it was a Muslim temple, they would have torn it down, but it still stands.

    Further proof that Muslims have rebuilt the Temple Mount is that there are no idols in the current place of worship, there are no pictures, the prayers are preformed the way Jews used to pray, and the prayers are made directly to the Creator of Abraham with no intercessors.
    The Jews do not have to mourn or drop another tear, the Modern Temple has also been rebuilt to include inscriptions to counter the Trinity of Christianity from our Holy Site:

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    Islam has a History of Restoring ancient Temples and preserving current Houses of Worship as taught in Islam:

    In the time of the caliph 'Umar, certain Muslims had usurped a piece of land belonging to a Jew, and had constructed a mosque on the site. Learning the news, the caliph ordered the demolition of the mosque and the restoration of the land to the Jews.

    There are currently thousands of Jews and hundreds of Synagogues in Muslim countries, dating over a 1,000 years old and Preserved in tact to this day, including the dozens of Temples kept in tact in Israel for the past millennium and a half while Muslims were responsible for Israel, if they were in rubble as the Romans had left the Temple Mount, the Muslims would have restored them to houses of worship as was done to the Temple of Solomon.

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    maybe 10 Muslims believe this.
     
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    What do you mean?
     
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    Muslims were the Jewish religion part 2, same as Christianity... anything that is proof of the bible part one then also proves part 2 as well
     
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    Solomon's Stables were built by Herod.
     
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    Megiddo was destroyed in the military campaign of Pharaoh Shishak in 926 BCE, and restored during the reign of Ahab, king of Israel (ca. 874 - 852 BCE) who made it a royal "chariot city." The new city's walls were 3.5 m. thick, constructed with offsets and insets and incorporating the Solomonic city gate. Noteworthy among the structures from the period of Ahab are several large, identical buildings, covering large areas of the city. Some archeologists believe they were storehouses, barracks or market-places, but most researchers regard them as stables.

    Based on the biblical account, the stables were first dated to the reign of Solomon, but new evidence has established their date as early 9th century BCE, in the reign of King Ahab.

    The southern stable complex is divided into several compartments, each subdivided into three long, parallel halls: the outer halls for stalls, the corridors between them for use by the stable hands. The ceiling of the stables was supported by large, square stone pillars. Massive stone troughs stood in the stables, as well as perforated stones for tying the horses. In the middle of a large courtyard, surrounded by a stone wall, was a watering pool.

    It is estimated that Megiddo's stables could have accommodated 450 horses; the adjacent structures undoubtedly housed dozens of battle chariots - an impressive quantity in terms of the period.

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Archaeology/Megiddo.html

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    Megiddo was destroyed in the military campaign of Pharaoh Shishak in 926 BCE, and restored during the reign of Ahab, king of Israel (ca. 874 - 852 BCE) who made it a royal "chariot city." The new city's walls were 3.5 m. thick, constructed with offsets and insets and incorporating the Solomonic city gate. Noteworthy among the structures from the period of Ahab are several large, identical buildings, covering large areas of the city. Some archeologists believe they were storehouses, barracks or market-places, but most researchers regard them as stables.

    Based on the biblical account, the stables were first dated to the reign of Solomon, but new evidence has established their date as early 9th century BCE, in the reign of King Ahab.

    The southern stable complex is divided into several compartments, each subdivided into three long, parallel halls: the outer halls for stalls, the corridors between them for use by the stable hands. The ceiling of the stables was supported by large, square stone pillars. Massive stone troughs stood in the stables, as well as perforated stones for tying the horses. In the middle of a large courtyard, surrounded by a stone wall, was a watering pool.

    It is estimated that Megiddo's stables could have accommodated 450 horses; the adjacent structures undoubtedly housed dozens of battle chariots - an impressive quantity in terms of the period.

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Archaeology/Megiddo.html
     
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    That unsavoury character ?:roflol:
     
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    The mention of Herod reminds me of a post I came across on another forum - thanks to Kudzu - abt the history of the Wailing Wall (wink)

    " the Temple was built by Herod
    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1256557977301&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

    Remember, the Temple was built by Herod
    By ROBERT EISENMAN

    The Temple, over which we now see such weekly struggles, was built by Herod who, for all intents and purposes, was not Jewish.

    He had not an ounce of Jewish blood in him - if one can speak in such "racial" terms in this period - his mother, according to Josephus, being an "Arab" from Petra, probably related to the royal family there; his grandfather, a Greco-Arab priest of Apollo from the Gaza/Ashkelon "Philistine"/Palestine Coast.

    On occasions, he might have simulated Jewish ways in line with his appointment as king of the Jews (which did not necessarily require being Jewish - it was a Roman title and a tax-farming fiefdom). His father Antipater was the first Roman procurator of Judea (c. 60 BCE), who parlayed a Roman governorship into a family dynasty, in the process eliminating the Maccabees and garnering a Roman citizenship for himself and his family after him.

    Herod might have had a few Jewish wives among the 10 or so he allowed himself, including two high priests' daughters - one the proverbial Maccabean princess Mariamme/Miriam, whom he actually had executed, as he did his children by her, due to his jealousy of their Maccabean blood and therefore their popularity among the masses. Almost all of his other wives were Greek or Arab.

    He also built a host of Greek temples - in Sebaste (Samaria) in honor of the Emperor Augustus, at Caesarea and across the Mediterranean, as well as the Antonia fortress in the Temple in honor of Mark Anthony and Phasael (Feisal) after his brother was executed by one of his Maccabean wife's uncles.

    Herod used his building projects to magnify his own image and keep a disaffected population busy.

    The Temple itself, which he began early in his reign in the 20s BCE, was not finished until shortly before its fall in 70 CE. Herod in fact was a typical Arab potentate
    , combining the worst qualities of a latter-day Saddam Hussein and the harem aspects of the House of Saud.

    As Josephus tell us, Herod had spies everywhere, executed all the members of the previous Maccabean or nationalistic Sanhedrin except the two Pharisees "Pollio and Sameas" - probably Hillel and Shammai - and even went on the streets in disguise to search out malcontents.

    These he had taken to the fortresses Hyrcania and Machaerus (as John the Baptist was, by one of his Greco-Arab sons) to be tortured and ultimately put to death.

    He was hated by the Jewish people and, as noted, responsible for the extirpation of the whole Maccabean family root and stalk, including his own several grafts upon them; and there followed 110 years of struggle (37 BCE-73 CE) to be rid of him, his heirs and the Romans who imposed them on the Jews and supported them.

    Nor is the celebrated Western Wall anything but a part of this extravaganza he built to mollify Jews and busy unemployed priests.

    It was consecrated by their Roman overlords, after they destroyed the Temple, as a place Jews could go once a year (on the Ninth of Av) in humiliation to bewail their former glories - therefore its traditional name, the Wailing Wall.

    SO THE Jews go today to worship at the remains of a stone edifice built by their arch-enemy, responsible more than anyone else for their destruction, who was himself certainly not native born and hardly Jewish at all except where convenient. (This is much like Paul, in 1 Corinthians 9:19-27.

    To paraphrase: "I am a Jew to the Jews, a Greek to the Greeks, a law-keeper to the law-keepers, a law-breaker to the law-breakers. I believe in winning. I will do whatever I have to do to win. That's how I fight, not beating the air." And Herod did "win," as did Paul, his probable descendant).

    But here's the rub. The Pharisees and the Herodian Sadducees whom they dominated were the only party willing to live with Herod and the Romans.

    In fact, Pollio and Sameas in 37 BCE recommended opening Jerusalem's gates to Herod and the Roman army given him by Mark Anthony. This behavior was repeated over and over, including 130 years earlier, at the time of Judah Maccabee, when they were willing to support Alcimus, a high priest appointed by a foreign power (the Greek Seleucids in Syria) - probably "the birth moment" of the Pharisee party.

    It happened again when Pompey stormed the Temple 100 years after that. According to Josephus, the Pharisees cooperated with the Romans in slaughtering the Temple's pro-Maccabean defenders.

    Notwithstanding, over and over again the people rejected the counsel of the Pharisees, including at the time of the uprising against Rome in 66 CE, when they cooperated in inviting the Roman army into the city. The Pharisees were not the popular party they are assumed to be, despite the pretensions of historians probably based on Gospel portraiture.

    Predictably the nationalists were the popular party (as they usually are even today).

    Pollio and Sameas became the heads of Herod's Sanhedrin after he had executed all its Maccabean and pro-nationalist members when he took undisputed control. Earlier, in the mid-50s BCE, they alone opposed bringing him to Sanhedrin trial when he was governor of Galilee (under his father) and had executed guerrilla leaders there.

    BUT THE Pharisees cum Rabbinic Judaism were, as noted, the only party Rome was willing to live with after the uprisings of 66-70 and 132-6 CE. Their patriarchs became the de facto Roman tax collectors in Palestine, as the Herodians had been earlier.




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    The writer is the author of James the Brother of Jesus and The Dead Sea Scrolls and the First Christians and co-editor of The Facsimile Edition of the Dead Sea Scrolls and The Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered. He is Professor of Middle East Religions and Archaeology and the Director of the Institute for the Study of Judeo-Christian Origins at California State University Long Beach.

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    I was told (ehem ) that Herod's mother was an arab from Petra and his father was an Edomite..

    The Western Wall is all that remains of the Fortress Antonia build by Herod as a Roman garrison and named for Marc Anthony's daughter.

    the celebrated Western Wall anything but a part of this extravaganza he built to mollify Jews and busy unemployed priests.

    It was consecrated by their Roman overlords, after they destroyed the Temple, as a place Jews could go once a year (on the Ninth of Av) in humiliation to bewail their former glories - therefore its traditional name, the Wailing Wall.

    SO THE Jews go today to worship at the remains of a stone edifice built by their arch-enemy, responsible more than anyone else for their destruction, who was himself certainly not native born and hardly Jewish at all except where convenient. (This is much like Paul, in 1 Corinthians 9:19-27.

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    OMG.. Herod deserves his own thread..............
     
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    acording to the Muslims, the Temple Mount is where the 2 Jewish Temples once stood
     
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    Quite true.. I think Marlowe was talking about the Western Wall that is all that remains.
     
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    the western wall is not part of the temple nor does anyone argue it is.

    it is simply part of the structure of the temple mount.
     
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    There were dozens of pagan temples that stood in Palestine, and looked precisely like the "Jewish temple", described in the Jewish holy books.

    Even according to the Jewish holy books the Jewish invaders were primitive nomads that had no skills to build a temple, they had to hire local architects and craftsmen to build for them a temple that looked like any pagan temple of the region.

    BTW, the Jewish temple was never found, but they have found a lot of pre-monotheistic temples in Palestine.

    So why this fuss about the alleged Jewish temple in Palestine that was never found? It was just another temple in the long history of Palestine, and the descendants of Khazars have nothing to do with this temple, because they were primitive nomadic Shamanic Practitioners till the 9th century AD, and lived in South Russia or in the Altai Region 2000 years ago.
     
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    ....meanwhile, as the OP discusses, the Muslims know that the 2 Jewish Temples used to be on the Temple Mount.

    tem.jpg
     
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    All Abrahamits, be they Muslims, Christians or Jews, believe that the fairy tales of the Bible is real history.

    But real historians (be they Jews, Muslims or Christians) know that the Bible is just a collection of fairy tales, and many of these fairy tales are very brutal and sadistic.

     
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    It was good of the Muslims to acknowledge that the two Jewish temples were on the Temple Mount.

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    nationalsozialistischen conspiracy theories.
     
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    Who cares about the believes of Abrahamits, and what has this to do with real history, that is based on Archaeology, not on fairy tales?

    :D
     
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    They were very much like temples in Baalbek and Byblos..... in size and design... The Arabs did know that there had been a Jewish Temple.. at least Omar knew.

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    I don't know about nationalsozialistischen, but Israel is certainly about militant nationalism and identity.
     
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    it is a fact that at least one Jewish temple stood at the Temple Mount.

    regardless of what Nazi propaganda tells you.
     
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    I very much doubt that Muslims would refer to it as "Jewish temples ".

    I've heard them refer to is as the "furthest Masjid" - The Noble Sanctuary - Masjid Al - Aqsa , the first Qibla.

    Jews + Christians refer to it as "Jewish Temple" . but Muslims do not. They say : :

    It was Prophet Sulayman (as) who finally completed the building of Masjid Al Aqsa.
    •Masjid Al Aqsa built by Sulayman (as) was destroyed in 587 BC by Nebuchadnezzar King of Babylon.
    •The Jews call this same Masjid Al Aqsa built by Sulayman as their Temple.
    •The Jews re-built their Temple on them same site in 167 BC but was destroyed in 70 AD and Jews banished from Jerusalem.

    •The site of Masjid Al Aqsa remained barren and was used as a rubbish tip for nearly 600 years until the Great Khalifah Umar bin Khattab liberated Jerusalem in 637/8 AD.
    •The Khalifah Umar bin Khattab began the foundation of Masjid Al Aqsa and a timber mosque was built.
    •The Umayyad Khalifah, Abd' al Malik ibn Marwan in 691/2 [72/73 AH] began the construction of, Dome of the Rock - today this is the Golden Domed Mosque.

    --- According to Muslims :

    "Important Note: Every Muslim accepts the fact that Bayt Al-Maqdis must never be a strictly Christian, a solely Jewish, nor an exclusively Muslim city, but must forever remain a multi-faith metropolis.

    So, any attempt by any party to make this noble city a uni-faith town must be challenged and totally refused to ensure the persistence of peace and to prevent further bloodshed. Only Muslims throughout the history of Bayt Al-Maqdis have respected this multi-faith nature of this great city.

    [The very existence of various Christian as well as Jewish religious complexes up until this day is a clear evidence of the true and sincere adherence the Muslims have shown towards this multi-faith concept mentioned above.]

    =====http://moonsighting.com/firstqibla.html
     
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    yes, Christian bigots treated as a dump.

    shows how much respect they had for one of Earth's most holy places
     
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    The western wall is part of the structure of the temple mount and it was a Roman barracks within temple mount.
     

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