Muslims are hesitant to criticize other Muslims because Allah will punish them if they do

You agree slavery is wrong, right? Should all US history books be edited to remove any mention of slavery?

Should we throw away the entire Constitution because it has relics from the era when slavery was legal?

 

No, I'm not saying it's anti-science, it's just that we don't blindly follow science, because science, today, is not perfect.

 

Why would I answer your question when you only bring it up to deflect from mine?

 

So where is that evidence you have that the psychology of love or religious beliefs is wrong?

On what basis do you reject it? If you have no such evidence, then how are you not doing exactly what theists do?

 

Advocating slavery in the Bible should not be brought forward in their day to day version of the Bible. Keep the original Bible as a relic, for sure, for history's sake, certainly, but don't give them a book and say it's the best book of all time THAT APPROVES OF SLAVERY.
That psycho book says it's ok to beat slaves as long as their death drags out past a day or two! Can you muster the morality to condemn that book like I do, Q?

 

Questerr - master of deflection! You're a super-hero, and that's your super-power.

 

I'm probably just not educated on that exact subject enough to give you an authoritative opinion on it, I'm afraid.

 

How about we both agree that we AMEND the Constitution....like religions should AMEND their Bible/Quran? Can we agree on that - say amending the part that says to kill innocent people (gays, for example). Certainly that would be best for the world - no one can argue that.

 

You and I agree that slavery is wrong - so we are more ethical, more caring, than Moses, than Abraham, than Jesus, than Mohammad. You and I are pretty cool.

 

Why is it not enough to simply teach that those passages aren't to be followed?

 

But yet you'll stand by your opinion that is in contravention to science even when other people point out that you are scientifically incorrect?

How theist of you.

 

Christians like the Pope amend the Bible through official dogma and teachings constantly. Ever heard of the Catechism?

 

Isn't it convenient that we have the privelege of not living in a Bronze Age society with no machinery or powered agriculture?

 

It was obviously very different times then FS. People couldn't exactly just get a cashiers job at Target or decide to go back and get a degree. In those days it was a form of survival.
The slavery wasn't like US southern slavery, it was living as an indentured servant. You conveniently leave out the many verses that instruct people how to treat "slaves" humanely. It was strictly forbidden to kidnap/capture people and force them into it.
No one was instructed by God that beating people then dragging thier deaths out was ok. It was more for the explanation of what punishment one would receive for doing it. For ex. you kill someone ...you get put to death, in other words eye for an eye OT laws.

 

Obviously there is a thinking human being writing said pixels. Jesus taught to hate all non-believers (or he'd lift his all-powerful finger and spare them torture), but I love non-believers, so I've moved beyond the hatred that Jesus taught.

 

It's truly amazing how people on this forum try their HARDEST TO DEFEND SLAVERY. It's truly fascinating! Wow! I used to be shocked, but not anymore.

See, the problem is that Q probably couldn't even condemn the Bible for saying that it's perfectly fine for people to beat slaves to death as long as the slave's death drags out past a few days. What is wrong with society today!?
http://www.evilbible.com/?s=slavery

 

We don't live in a Bronze Age society. We have the convenience of being more than one bad harvest from starvation and death. We have the convenience of not living in a world where death is cheap because a single scratch can mean slow death from infection and more children die before they are 10 than live to adulthood.

We have the convenience of not having to depend on back-breaking labor of others to provide food for survival.

Check your privelege.

 

1. Great! Then remove it from their day to day version that they give to their impressionable young children - if they can muster the moral courage to do that (if not, then they are lousy parents.)

2. You are wrong anyway: "When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)"

3. Too bad Jesus isn't real or that all-powerful being would have come down in the last 2000 years (uh, assuming that he's all-loving as he claimed) and educated us that the Bible got this wrong.

 

Great so you agree with me that the Bible is not a good role model for people TODAY (maybe 2000 years ago, but not TODAY), right?

 

Incredible. Wow. You DID just try to defend BEATING SLAVES TO DEATH! w;lekjaw;klgj....sorry I just fell off my chair there and was flailing at the keyboard for a second to recover. Wow. Just wow.

Check your logic.

 

I wouldn't defend such a thing today but if we lived 2,000 years ago and your survival was totally dependent on preventing slave uprisings and making sure they were providing the food that you and your family needed to live, you'd probably have a different opinion.

Recognize that different eras have different circumstances that affect their beliefs and practices.

You know, like a Modern secular Humanist would do?

 

We were not there, so we'll never know 100% - we agree on that.

But looking past the "what is/not is" question, I'm more interested in your morality tealwings - so if, repeat if, hypothetically, god DID (again hypothetically) say that it's ok to beat slaves as long as the death drags out past a few days, would you condemn god like Modern Secular Humanist obviously would, tealwings?

Please let us know.

 

That "privelege" means that we simply know more today than the barbarians (Abraham, Moses, Elijah, Jesus, David, etc.) did thousands of years ago....so we should embrace this new knowledge, and ditch the barbarity of those barbaric barbarians who didn't even know "where the sun went at night".

 

Why can I picture you water boarding people while at the same time saying "secular humanism is the loving more humane way to be, right right?".

No, I said there were no Target stores back then. lol
Its actually the preferred role model when interpreted correctly.

 

In other words they didn't now right from wrong like we do now.

PS 2000 years FROM NOW they'll know more than we do today, so that's why the texts of a belief system need to change/improve/grow, obviously.