My 4 months as a prison guard in Louisiana

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They would not exist if they don't save the state taxpayer money.
     
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    Who put a man in prison over serving his snake cat? I realize the common rat was once feared due to the spread of plague, but that is not happening today in America. Rats though reviled, in my view deserve the treatment afforded to cats. Cats are feral in many places.
     
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    I have often proposed juries be trained professionals.

    It is my belief that amateurs don't stack up to the professionals trying to put humans into prison.

    I understand the charged has a professional representative. But if the number of innocent in prison is a yardstick, the jury system is not working well. Many inmates charge their professional defense as incompetent.
     
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    I saw how the German prison system reformed. I doubt the problem is who pays for prisons. Either way taxpayers pay for prisons. There is nothing in government prisons branding them as better.

    Germans, I believe are onto something. The inmates there depart prison and have effective lives after for the most part.
     
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    Prisons do not arrest or convict inmates.

    They simply house them.
     
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    The CEO of a corporate prison makes 10 times what a State Prison warden earns and the guards makes less than in state prisons.
     
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    I'm just bumping this because it's the best journalism I've seen in 2016.
    Thanks for posting it.It kind of showcases the difference between real reporting and partisan hackery.
    We need more people like the undercover jail guard.
    Private prisons are something that should not be.
     
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    Thank you.
     
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    I'm fairly certain it was a fellow who posted it all over YouTube; if I recall correctly, someone charged him with animal abuse, since it was pretty obviously a slow and painful death. If you had a kitty at any point, you would probably understand more. Cats and dogs, in my view, have been sufficiently bred to be our companions that we have an obligation to protect them from unusual pain in general, and that means that we shouldn't feed them to snakes so they can have slow and painful deaths.
     
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    I am not promoting feeding cats to snakes. But I commented about Rats who get fed to snakes. Seems to me something is not right there. The rats fed to snakes are domesticated.

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    Be careful of drawing lines merely because the jail system has a non government direct boss.

    Keep in mind how many prisons the reporter reported on. Why no report on public prisons?
     
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    A CEO is over many prisons. A Warden but one prison.

    Besides, income is not the measure of a prison.

    BTW, I am not claiming to be all for the CEO salary but a group of directors researches and then arrives at a contract value.

    Would you compare the non CEO income of Brad Pitt or Angelina Jolie to a CEO over a number of prisons?

    Clearly i prefer the income of Pitt over that CEO.
     
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    At the pet store my aunt owns, they separated the 'fancy' rats and the 'feeder' rats; I'm not certain what the real distinction there is, but it seems like there are some that are explicitly bred to be pets and some explicitly bred to be food. Snakes do need to eat, which generally means eating either rats or chickens, both of whom are explicitly bred for the purpose of consumption. On a moral level, even considering the relative intelligence of rats, I don't think it ought to be considered more immoral than, for instance, eating pigs.
     
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    My major comment over inmates is I believe this country should try the German system they use to turn out inmates who are schooled in the correct way and not the criminal way. Germany devotes resources to actively having decent humans depart prisons rather than turn out hardened criminals.

    I see little merit in the US system as it now stands. If we get rid of corporate managed prison, it only tries to mask the actually serious problem, .... our system turning out hardened criminals, free to create even more victims.

    Check the German system out.

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    Yeah, pigs are smart I am told.
     
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    The jury system in the US was compromised 100 years ago with the Sparf decision. In that case the court admitted jurors had the right and power to nullify, but that the government had no obligation to inform jurors of that.

    Since that time the jurors have slowly become mere rubber stamps for prosecutorial malfeasance.

    The antidote is fully informed jurors. The American Jury Institute works for that goal.

    http://www.fija.org
     
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    The common person is not used to evaluating evidence. I suggest training Juries so any malfeasance in the court is noticed by them. I would also allow the jury to either ask questions or submit questions they feel they want answered.
     
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    What subjects would you train them in? Have you constructed any sort of syllabus for such training?

    The role of the jury is to be the conscience of the community, to recognize right and wrong, and to have justice prevail in any given case. Even as described in Berger v. US 295US78

    And when the government acts illegally or in an unjust manner, it is the jury's obligation to nullify such government behavior.
     
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    I have never sat for a Jury in a court. However I have done the job of a jury at hearings.

    First before allowed to sit in judgment, we were trained. It was either just a full day of training or maybe more than one. I don't really recall precisely.

    People show up with personal bias.

    I realize lawyers get to try to pick out what they think are the best jury, but there is more than simply bias.

    Look at how fast the public jumped to conclusions over the Trayvon Martin killing and a lot were ready to execute for murder Mr. Zimmerman.

    Look on forums how fast people leap to judge something and yet they lack facts.

    We spent a day or two and this was in the 1980s, so pardon me for not recalling each element we got trained in.

    I found the training to have value for things during my life. To help not rush to judgment and find a person guilty with more than personal bias.

    Let me give you just a tiny sample of what I am talking about.

    http://www.realtor.org/code-of-ethi.../part-7-section-27-qualification-for-tribunal


    I found this is part of recent changes.

    http://www.mirealtors.com/Portals/0/Documents/2015 NAR Code of Ethics Arb Manual Changes.pdf
     
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    What sort of hearings?

    I have been on 7 or 8 juries and sometimes as jury foreman.
     
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    We had cases filed against Realtors. The case had both a plaintiff and defendant.

    Cases that proved an illegal act happened, got also referred to legal authorities.

    Cases where one party wanted money were heard by us. Cases where a person violated rules were heard by us.

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    Do you feel a professional jury system will help keep innocent people out of prisons?

    I believe the training and experience will help justice.
     
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    A realtor's tribunal is very different..
     
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    You will need to explain to me how.

    Actually part of my claim is we were different than a jury since we were trained for the task.
     
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    All you really needed was r/e law..
     
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    Good guess but that won't work.

    We were well schooled in RE law thus had no real need for more RE law training.

    I want to know why you do not believe Juries can be standing juries and paid as professionals?
     
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    Because you are to be judged by a jury of your peers.... US citizens.
     
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    I can't find that in law. If your peers are killers, or thieves or robbers, you have some bad friends.

    However, you want amateurs to judge you?

    I am seeking ways to prevent the innocent from being convicted.

    But do try to find in our constitution this thing about jury of peers.

    http://forum.murthy.com/index.php?/topic/57919-jury-of-peers/

     

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